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[Catholic Caucus] Pope Francis: Former popes ignored mercy in using ‘inhuman’ death penalty
LifeSite News ^ | December 17, 2018 | Diane Montagna

Posted on 12/17/2018 4:58:37 PM PST by ebb tide

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1 posted on 12/17/2018 4:58:37 PM PST by ebb tide
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2 posted on 12/17/2018 5:17:06 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

He’s willing to let Asia Bibi suffer the death penalty.


3 posted on 12/17/2018 5:20:21 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the SEALs of Extortion 17 - and God Bless The USA and President Trump.)
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To: ebb tide

I’m glad he is taking square aim at the Chinese government, by far the world’s leader in capital punishment, and doing his very best to confront them.

He needs to get the Chinese government to stop paying attention to the teaching of the pre-Francis popes, to which they are slavishly attentive.

Sorry if the sarcasm is approaching potentially lethal levels.


4 posted on 12/17/2018 5:25:37 PM PST by Hieronymus ((It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: ebb tide

He opens his mouth and proves how wrong he is.

All the time.

Why anyone follows him is incredible.


5 posted on 12/17/2018 5:26:01 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ebb tide

Jesus constantly referred to The Law which mandated death for murderers.


6 posted on 12/17/2018 5:27:23 PM PST by onedoug
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To: ebb tide

Unfortunately, it is highly unlikely that anyone will ever publicly ask him “Was it wrong, then, to crucify Jesus?”.


7 posted on 12/17/2018 5:31:05 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ebb tide
John 19:
8 When Pilate heard this, he was even more afraid, 9 and he went back inside the palace. “Where do you come from?” he asked Jesus, but Jesus gave him no answer. 10 “Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?” 11 Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”
8 posted on 12/17/2018 5:34:02 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: DuncanWaring
“Was it wrong, then, to crucify Jesus?”.

That was the judicial murder of an innocent man.

Luke 23:
39 And one of those robbers who were hanged, blasphemed him, saying: If thou be Christ, save thyself and us. 40 But the other answering, rebuked him, saying: Neither dost thou fear God, seeing thou art condemned under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this man hath done no evil. 42 And he said to Jesus: Lord, remember me when thou shalt come into thy kingdom. 43 And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise.

9 posted on 12/17/2018 5:37:26 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’m rather doubtful about may people following him.

But he may have many fellow travelers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l482T0yNkeo


10 posted on 12/17/2018 5:41:34 PM PST by Hieronymus ((It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: ebb tide

There are things worse than death, aren’t there? For example, being incarcerated in a maximum security prison for the rest of one’s natural born life without the possibility of parole. Which condition is more merciful?


11 posted on 12/17/2018 5:42:15 PM PST by Ge0ffrey
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To: Ge0ffrey

If you are gay prison is heaven.


12 posted on 12/17/2018 5:45:25 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Ge0ffrey

Given that most condemned to death spend decades appealing their sentences, I’m guessing there’s a strong preference for life imprisonment.


13 posted on 12/17/2018 5:47:42 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NorthMountain

All true, but irrelevant to the question at hand.

“Jesus Christ died in prison serving a life sentence without possibility of parole for my sins”?


14 posted on 12/17/2018 5:49:26 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ebb tide
“Even in the case of the death penalty the State does not dispose of the individual’s right to life. Rather public authority limits itself to depriving the offender of the good of life in expiation for his guilt, after he, through his crime, deprived himself of his own right to life.” –Pope Pius XII, Address to the First International Congress of Histopathology of the Nervous System, 14 September 1952, XIV, 328

Pope Francis Is Wrong about the Death Penalty. Here’s Why

15 posted on 12/17/2018 5:50:51 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: DuncanWaring

Yeah ... it just doesn’t have the same ring, does it?


16 posted on 12/17/2018 5:56:56 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: DuncanWaring; NorthMountain
“Was it wrong, then, to crucify Jesus?”.

That was the judicial murder of an innocent man.

All true, but irrelevant to the question at hand.

“Jesus Christ died in prison serving a life sentence without possibility of parole for my sins”?

Jesus submitted himself to the lawful civil authority. That civil authority had the power to condemn citizens to death.

If the death penalty was immoral or unjust Jesus would not have submitted himself to that authority.

Therefore, Christians must accept that the death penalty when imposed by lawful authority is right and just.

It has the endorsement of our Lord and Savior. He accepted Pilots authority over him because that power came from his father.

“Thou shouldst not have any power against me, unless it were given thee from above” (Jn. 19:11).

17 posted on 12/17/2018 6:09:33 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: ebb tide
I will trust St Thomas Aquinas on this one.

Objection 1. It would seem unlawful to kill men who have sinned. For our Lord in the parable (Matthew 13) forbade the uprooting of the cockle which denotes wicked men according to a gloss. Now whatever is forbidden by God is a sin. Therefore it is a sin to kill a sinner.

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On the contrary, It is written (Exodus 22:18): "Wizards thou shalt not suffer to live"; and (Psalm 100:8): "In the morning I put to death all the wicked of the land."

I answer that, As stated above (Article 1), it is lawful to kill dumb animals, in so far as they are naturally directed to man's use, as the imperfect is directed to the perfect. Now every part is directed to the whole, as imperfect to perfect, wherefore every part is naturally for the sake of the whole. For this reason we observe that if the health of the whole body demands the excision of a member, through its being decayed or infectious to the other members, it will be both praiseworthy and advantageous to have it cut away. Now every individual person is compared to the whole community, as part to whole. Therefore if a man be dangerous and infectious to the community, on account of some sin, it is praiseworthy and advantageous that he be killed in order to safeguard the common good, since "a little leaven corrupteth the whole lump" (1 Corinthians 5:6).(emphasis added)

Therefore, according to a Doctor of the Church, capital punishment is not solely an act of justice but is "praiseworthy and advantageous" for "the common good."

18 posted on 12/17/2018 6:12:12 PM PST by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s^2.)
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To: DoodleBob
Therefore, according to a Doctor of the Church, capital punishment is not solely an act of justice but is "praiseworthy and advantageous" for "the common good."

I love Saint Thomas Aquinas and his reasoning. Solid, Angelic, awesome. Unfortunately, he was not a pope and did not speak ex-cathedra - not saying nor implying Pope Francis is here. And no, I am not a big fan of Pope Francis, but he is the Pope and I am Catholic.

19 posted on 12/17/2018 6:51:02 PM PST by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: pax_et_bonum

“I’m a better human being than all those other popes.”


20 posted on 12/17/2018 6:51:51 PM PST by steve8714
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