Posted on 08/18/2018 10:09:46 AM PDT by Salvation
I hope you're having a nice evening.
Having a wonderful evening.....however you “bs” post tracks with some of your other....shall we say iffy posts.
The OT carried the idea of lying that you meant harm toward the person you lied to.
I had an argument once with a Born Again preacher. He insisted there are no degrees of sin and the family who lied to the Nazis to shield Jews committed as great a sin as the Nazis who murdered them.
I contend that God never intended us to turn off our brains.
Do the Scriptures allow a "degree of sin" in regards to lying?
Nothing in my vast experience in the Church supports that assessment. Perhaps you have been misinformed.
Not according to the Born Again preacher. He told me Scripture says a sin to save a life is as bad as murder.
Go figure.
Ah, I see your error. Somebody must have lied to you about what the Church teaches.
Whether or not a lie is a mortal sin depends upon the nature and seriousness of the lie. For example:
Mortal sin: If you tell us vair ze Judan are, ve vill not harm zem.
Venial sin: No Mommy, I didn’t take a piece of candy.
No sin: We have no idea where the Anne Frank family is.
Of course, the Born Again preacher contends all three are serious sins, as serious as rape or murder.
Go figure!
Does it break the commandment against lying?
No, it does not, as I said in post 54. It’s a question of opinion, and opinions are not qualifiable as “lying.” Only if the lady in question said, “Do you think I’m fat?” and you said, “No,” when you really thought she was, would it be a “lie,” that is, a false statement of your opinion at the time.
At that point, you’d be an absolutely hideous person, but you wouldn’t have lied, so you could say, “I thank you, God, that I am not like other people, and especially those who are kind to others and don’t tell them they’re fat, like that guy over there who told his wife he thought she was adorable ...”
The reality though of the NT is that all sin separates us from God....apart from the forgiveness of Christ.
I’m confused. Do you not understand the difference between fact and opinion, or between, “Let me tell you every nasty thing that has ever crossed my mind regarding you,” and “I think I’ll be silent.”?
I agree that all sin separates us from God, apart from the forgiveness achieved by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross.
Where it seems we disagree is on definitions. I don’t think refraining from being a cacophagous sphincter to your loved ones, if you know what “loved ones” means, is a sin. You seem to think it is.
What transgression that is “grave matter” do you think I have committed?
Review your post....you might can figure it out.
The most interesting Biblical “lie” which I do not believe is actually a lie, is when Jesus told his brothers that He was not going up to Jerusalem for Passover.
JOHN 7:8—DID JESUS LIE TO HIS BROTHERS?
PROBLEM: Jesus’ unbelieving brothers challenged Him to go up to Jerusalem and show Himself openly if He was the Messiah (7:3–4).
Jesus refused, saying, “I am not yet going up to this feast, for My time has not yet fully come” (v. 8). However, only a few verses later Jesus “went up to the feast” (v. 10).
SOLUTION: Jesus did not go up to Jerusalem in the way in which His brothers suggested. They suggested He go and be “known openly” (7:4). But the Scripture explicitly declares that “He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret” (7:10).
http://defendinginerrancy.com/bible-solutions/John_7.8.php
(Ooops. I remember you are RCC, so I guess you dispute the fact that Jesus had brothers? Oh well. The Bible text is the Bible text. Jesus had brothers who challenged whether or not He was the Messiah... “who are my brothers, and my mother? For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”.)
Well, you've now for sure committed one.
Proving once again, it is usually the Roman Catholic, though not always, who resorts to the personal attack and/or profanity when the argument goes against them.
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