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To: NKP_Vet
Born again is nothing more than baptism. Been that way for 2,000 no matter how much Protestants squawk about it.

Flat wrong for 2,000 no matter how much unregenerate Catholic squawk about it, and engage in argument by mere assertion. 1.

John 3:3 -7 nowhere mentions baptism, and instead, as is characteristic of John, the physical and the spiritual are set in juxtaposition:

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (John 3:4-5)

"Born of water corresponds to the mention of physical birth by Nicodemus. Likewise that which follows,

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. (John 3:6)

Thus there are only two kinds of birth, of water and the Spirit. of flesh and Spirit

Moreover, while recording that the disciples baptized, John nowhere teaches it saves, but constantly teaches the believing (which effects obedience) saves.

2. While Acts 2:38 promises regeneration to souls if they would repent/believe and be baptized in the name the Lord Jesus, Acts 10+15 reveals that it is the faith behind baptism that purifies the heart. In which lost souls heard the gospel, and were promised forgiveness if they believed, and which they manifestly did, and then were baptized, God having purified their heart by faith.

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we ? (Acts 10:43-47)

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. (Acts 15:7-9)

Thus previously lost souls (Acts 11:14,18) were born again before baptism. Which is not a contradiction of Acts 2:38, but its explanation. For since baptism properly requires and expresses faith, so the promise of the Spirit is made to those repent and are baptized in identification with their Lord Jesus, since this would require faith and evidence it.

The promise is not that the act itself of baptism effects regeneration, nor by proxy faith as in heretical Catholicism , but receiving the promise is contingent upon obeying the command, which requires repentance, which means believing.which innocent infants cannot choose to do (nor need to), and are never commanded to, or shown being the subjects of, versus those who could comprehend and believe. .

3. .If the act of baptism effects regeneration then all those whom Rome validly baptized were born again. Which is absurd in the light of their characteristic absence (which i for one, can well attest to as a former weekly mass-going devout RC) of the profound basic transformational changes in heart and life that true Biblical regeneration effects. And which multitudes of evangelical converts from Rome can testify to. .

Thus presenting all those whom Rome has baptized as being born again Christians, even if excused as fallen ones (one must Biblically "front slide" before he "backslides") makes a mockery of Biblical regeneration.

Parroting or posting propaganda will not change that. The End.

282 posted on 08/13/2018 5:32:00 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

Baptism is being born again in Christ. Try your brainwashing on someone else. It really gets old. You sound silly.


283 posted on 08/13/2018 6:10:17 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Man without God descends into madness")
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