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Biblical inconsistency?
OSV.com ^ | 07-25-18 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 07/28/2018 8:00:05 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: editor-surveyor; boatbums
Nobody did any translating! Its in the original language: Hebrew, the only language spoken by the House of Judah at that time. The only language in which any disciple was literate.

Only a rank fool would say something like this, clearly supposing that his audience was equally naive and helpless to think straight.

Even Pontius Pilate knew better than that, affiximg a sign in three languages and alphabets to the Cross. And the disciples at Pentecost were heard by many pilgrims at the feast to speak in their mother tongues.

Please take a break. Go take a nap. Read some Hebrew yourself, if you can. Please stop inviting the disparaging remarks of others for your childish responses. Even a farm equipment salesman knows enough not to stand to the rear of his manure spreaders.

321 posted on 08/02/2018 3:11:01 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: editor-surveyor; boatbums

And you’ve seen them personally to verify their existence, have you?


322 posted on 08/02/2018 3:38:16 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: boatbums

Well, the whole Lucy thing is predicated upon a false notion to begin with.


323 posted on 08/02/2018 3:57:26 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom
Except for a bunch of secret manuscripts allegedly in Hebrew that nobody has ever seen.

Except for Dan Brown!

324 posted on 08/02/2018 3:58:33 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom
Then provide us with the *original* Hebrew texts. Otherwise you are going on what you think would have been said if the texts had been in Hebrew and that just allows for anything goes. Easy way for you to make up your own doctrine and teaching and pass it off as God’s word. And I’m pretty sure God would not take to kindly to that.

Not only that, but we have the teachings of early church fathers (ECF) where they quote practically every single verse of the New Testament. It has been said that even if we had no extant copies of the New Testament books, we could recompile them just from their writings.

325 posted on 08/02/2018 4:24:15 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: metmom; imardmd1

I’m not sure what Philippians 3 has to do with our discussion. It doesn’t say anything about sin or confessing our sins.

imardmd1 pointed us to 1 John 1, which in verse 9 states, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

Is it your contention that God will credit the righteousness of Christ to our account without us confessing our sins?


326 posted on 08/02/2018 4:36:26 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: Elsie
REALLY?

You don't think so???

327 posted on 08/02/2018 4:37:01 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: nobamanomore
Yes, there’s a lot of consensus among the 10 or 20 thousand protestant denominations, lol.


328 posted on 08/02/2018 4:38:15 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: editor-surveyor

And believe me, I appreciate not having to deal with the easily disproven lies of a fake rabbi cluttering up my notices.

Of course, if you don’t want my additional attention, you could just choose not to reply to me.


329 posted on 08/02/2018 4:41:38 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

We’re on the same wavelength! ;o)


330 posted on 08/02/2018 4:43:55 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: rwa265
Is it your contention that God will credit the righteousness of Christ to our account without us confessing our sins?

He already did...The moment we trusted him as our Savior...

331 posted on 08/02/2018 5:02:49 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ealgeone

LOL. See post 274.


332 posted on 08/02/2018 6:27:37 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Elsie
I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

Hmmmm. Pardon me Els, if I don’t buy that. 😁🤣 I have, however, been to Purgatory already, so I don’t worry about going there. It’s in Colorado, and the skiing is great. 👍

333 posted on 08/02/2018 6:53:58 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Luircin
Miles who?

I found this interesting article that questions the "foremost expert" attribution on Miles Jones:

https://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2012/09/26/Was-An-Archaeological-Forgery-Mistakenly-Portrayed-As-Authentic.aspx

    After my article was posted online, Dr. Miles Jones came forward to take responsibility for translating the name “Yahweh” on the tablet. Jones has a Ph.D. in (modern) foreign language education from the University of Texas at Austin. In Dr. Jones’ biographical information there is no mention of any background or training in Hebrew or any other Semitic languages, especially South Semitic, or Thamudic, the language of the inscribed stone. This language needs to be mastered before one can properly translate this text.

    Dr. Jones self-published a non-peer reviewed book entitled The Writing of God. In the book Jones attempted to interact with my above-mentioned article. He tried to dismiss the possibility that this inscription was a forgery because: “In Saudi Arabia there is no antiquities market selling artifacts to tourists. There are no tourists in Saudi Arabia” (2010:147). The statement is incorrect on two counts. First, Dr. Macdonald, writing from personal experience, informs me that: “His [Jones’] statement that there are no fakes or forgeries in Saudi Arabia merely displays a complete ignorance of the situation in the Middle East, and he is very naïve if he really believes that because something is against the law in any country (even with draconian punishments) some people will not take the risk of law-breaking for profit” (personal correspondence, October 24, 2009, emphasis added).

    Second, contrary to Jones’ statement, there are many foreign tourists visiting the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia every year. The statistics from 1996 to the last recorded Hajj (2011) state that there were well over one million foreigners each year that made the pilgrimage to Mecca for the Hajj. Interestingly, the owner of the object in question was given the inscribed artifact by the Saudi prince who was the governor of Mecca (2010:147), the same city where the Hajj takes place.

    Jones further attempts to convince the reader that Macdonald’s and Younger’s identification of the letters and translation of the word YHWH are incorrect. Yet, an understanding of the ancient language in question leads one to the conclusion that the artifact is not genuine. For example, the diacritical marks underneath the letters “wḥẖy” are in the text of the article. But the Semitic letter H with a line under it (ẖ) and the Semitic letter H with a dot under it (ḥ) are two different Semitic letters rather than the plain Semitic letter H, like in the word YHWH. So the letters that made up the word on the inscribed object do not spell “YHWH,” whichever direction it is read. Jones also said that “the ‘dot’ under the H is a pit in the stone” (2010:148). However, the diacritical marks underneath the letter “H” are scholarly convention for familiar modern Latin letters to represent Semitic letters and do not appear in the ancient lettering! Further, it has nothing to do with the pit in the stone.

    Jones also attempts to dismiss the suggestion by Dr. Kahn that the object with the inscription was “recently scultured” [sic] by saying “the patina within the grooves of the engraving is the same color as the rest of the stone, a sign of its age. It is not a newly made gash in the stone” (2010:148). Yet, it is common knowledge among antiquities collectors that a modern forgery can be buried in the ground for a year or more after it is made in order to give it the appearance of age and patina.


334 posted on 08/02/2018 7:01:20 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: ealgeone
It must be a terrible feeling knowing you are without Heaven.

It WAS a terrible feeling. That is why I am no longer a catholic. 👍
Of course, I don’t know for sure, but sometimes I think that people who belong to false religions, would rather go to Hell, than to spend eternity in Heaven with us. I have no way to know if that is true or not, but that is what I think.

335 posted on 08/02/2018 7:10:40 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: editor-surveyor

Oh, E-S, you are the one who needs to WAKE UP!

Just think for a minute about this: if Hebrew was the ideal, chosen-by-the Holy Spirit language by which God would communicate ALL His revealed truths, then how could ANY man, woman, organization, demon, angel, power or principality confound that purpose??? Don’t we still have copies of all the Old Testament books in Hebrew?

In your zeal to promote your cult and its leader Michael Rood, you have fallen into a terrible and heretical ditch that threatens your eternal salvation. I pray that you do awaken to the accursed gospel you are held captive to and come into the light of the glorious Gospel of the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ.


336 posted on 08/02/2018 7:16:53 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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To: editor-surveyor
That article is a clearly deliberate deception.

Prove it.

Something beyond your say so.

List the guy's credentials.

337 posted on 08/02/2018 7:45:43 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: rwa265
Is it your contention that God will credit the righteousness of Christ to our account without us confessing our sins?

Yes.

When we turn to Christ and repent and confess, and are born again/born from above, then we become new creatures in Christ and Christ's righteousness is credited to our account.

We don't lose it when we sin. It's a permanent transaction, which is why our salvation is secure and we cannot lose it based on works or lack thereof, or sin that we commit and don't confess.

338 posted on 08/02/2018 7:52:09 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: metmom

That being said, we are encouraged to confess our sins, as in the Lord’s Prayer, James 5:16, and 1 John 1:9.


339 posted on 08/02/2018 8:28:30 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: metmom

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PhD in Linguistics, PhD post secdondary education.

Analysis of Mt Sinai accepted by the Saudi antiquities Ministry!

He is absolute top dog in ancient written languages. He has no peer in that discipline.


340 posted on 08/02/2018 8:48:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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