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To: ADSUM
You are entitled to your own opinion, but not entitled to change the facts of Jesus and the Catholic Church teachings.

The teachings if the Roman church are not facts. If not in Scripture, they are only men's opinions.

I realize that Luther and others rejected some of the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles and His Church, and tried to rely only on the Bible. Even the Bible says not all is contained in the Bible.

Luther rejected nothing in Scripture.

That not all is in the Bible is not a blank check to believe anything as if it was. God gave us what he wanted us to know.

At times Fundamentalists talk as if they thought no case could be made for the Catholic faith.

There is no case that can be made for syncretic paganism. Ever.
If you think Catholics worship Mary, pray to statues, and claim the pope is equal to God, then you aren’t rejecting Catholicism, but someone’s misrepresentation of it.

Romans idolize Mary, pray to statues, etc.
Since the Reformers rejected the papacy, they also rejected the teaching authority of the Church.

This is a foolish and non-factual statement. The Reformers and Christians today understand that God gifted the church with TEACHERS, among other gifts to the church.
They looked elsewhere for the rule of faith and thought they found it solely in the Bible. Its interpretation would be left to the individual reader, guided by the Holy Spirit.

Thankfully, believers do have the Holy Spirit's guidance into truth, but believers also have local churches that God has gifted with teachers, according to Scripture.
But reason and experience tell us that the Bible could not have been intended as each man’s private guide to the truth. If individual guidance by the Holy Spirit were a reality, everyone would understand the same thing from the Bible—since God cannot teach error. But Christians have understood contradictory things from Scripture. Fundamentalists even differ among themselves in what they think the Bible says.

Again, this is a false understanding of truth. Believers in different congregations have some differences in non-essentials. They have unity in the Body of Christ over non-essentials.
The Bible also tells us that private interpretation is not to be the rule for understanding the Bible.

Again, you need to actually read this passage and apply your mind. It does not say this. It says prophecy originated in God and did not originate in private sources. May I ask, just how many courses in Bible have you taken? I've seen people mention you are a priest. Based on this, I'm doubting it.

Later he warns what can happen if a person ignorantly approaches Scripture on his own or is unstable in clinging to the apostolic teachings he has received. He states of Paul’s letters, “There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures” (2 Pet. 3:16).

That some ignorant (including priests, cardinals, popes, etc.) twist scripture is not the same as saying anything about approaching Scripture on his own. The believer is commanded to study to show himself approved. He is commanded to love God with all his mind.

The Bible also denies that it is sufficient as the Church’s rule of faith. Paul acknowledges that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (1 Cor. 11:2, 2 Tim. 2:2).

First, this is absolutely a false statement.

Second, this would be a wonderful opportunity for YOU to share the list of official traditions! What are they ADSUM??

Of course, no one can know this because they are not written down and not falsifiable or verifiable.

Why not write to Catholic Answers for additional information and tracts? Either your suspicions will be confirmed, or you will discover that there is more to Catholicism than you once thought.

Because it supports syncretic paganism and not Scriptural truth.

Click here to read both sides

593 posted on 06/10/2018 4:13:24 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Tim Staples’ website is one of the worst apologetics sites I’ve seen.


599 posted on 06/10/2018 4:48:55 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone; boatbums; metmom; Luircin; Mom MD
Again, you need to actually read this passage and apply your mind. It does not say this. It says prophecy originated in God and did not originate in private sources.

Sadly, most true, born again Christians don’t even understand it, even those like me, who at one time didn’t understand it either, and I am heavy into YOPIOS. 😁 Peter, VERY MUCH wanted the people to UNDERSTAND the scriptures. All Peter meant when he said it, was that no man, with two functioning brain cells, ever came along, and decided, all by himself, that he was going to take it upon himself, to write scripture. No way, no how. Scripture was inspired by God. If it was written, and not inspired by God, like the Book of Mormon, for instance, then it was NOT scripture. That goes for Buddha, Confucius, Mary Baker Eddy, Mohammed, and any other, among many false prophets.
To say that Peter was telling the people they could not interpret and understand scripture, is a misinterpretation of what he was actually saying. He very much wanted them to understand it.
My next point would be, if Roman Catholics actually believe this misinterpretation of what Peter actually said, why do many of them keep posting scripture on these threads, and give interpretations of it? They constantly engage in YOPIOS, which I always do, of course. 👍 I hope some dude doesn’t come on here, and try to tell me, that he is not interpreting scripture, he is just reading it, and telling me what it says. He will hear a loud cacophony of booing. 😁😇

641 posted on 06/10/2018 10:04:27 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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