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In the first place i thought this was a Bible discussion, but you are taking it away from the Bible and making it a word discussion.

I am satisfied with what the Bible says, the Bible i read says Cephas,i am satisfied with that.

Some of you people say that it was ordained by the holy spirit, then why go to extremes to take the meaning away.

” and attributing a position to me that I have not taken.”

Then why do you keep on insisting that Jesus did not say what he said?

You say it was just a nick name and where do you come up with the authority to assume that you know more of what Jesus intended than he himself did?

Do you believe that Jesus said call no man on earth father?

Most protestants do, therefore they do not have to go to the dictionary because they will say it is so simple, they are right and this is also so simple.

Any one who believes what Jesus said do not have any need to go all over the dictionary to try to change the meaning of what he said.

John 1:42
42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.

A stone and rock is exactly the same thing but more importantly it has the same meaning.

There may be a few people who still say the earth is square even though it is proven to be what it is, not that they really believe that.

Jesus said that Simon would be called Cephas and in fact he has been called or at least thought of as the rock of the church by well over a billion people.

And that is not counting the non catholics like myself who think of him as such.

So if you want to change my mind about anything you will have to stick to scripture, pure and simple because if you start going to the word definition game i will assume you know you are wrong.

And if the holy spirit caused the word of God to be written in Greek and then Latin and English i believe we can trust that, we need no new translations such the 20th century religion with their leader Satan to tell us that Jesus never meant what he said

Sandals, dust ... here’s your sign.

In the first place i thought this was a Bible discussion, but you are taking it away from the Bible and making it a word discussion. I am satisfied with what the Bible says, the Bible i read says Cephas,i am satisfied with that. Some of you people say that it was ordained by the holy spirit, then why go to extremes to take the meaning away. ” and attributing a position to me that I have not taken.” Then why do you keep on insisting that Jesus did not say what he said?

Are you responding to me?