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To: Mom MD

Do you just make up fake news? YOUR COMMENT: “They had nothing to do with the sect founded by Constantine 300 years later. Whether you acknowledge it or not.” Your assertion does not agree with historical facts.

Very early in post-apostolic times, however. the Church did acquire a proper name—and precisely in order to distinguish herself from rival bodies which by then were already beginning to form. The name that the Church acquired when it became necessary for her to have a proper name was the name by which she has been known ever since-the Catholic Church.

Around the year A.D. 107, a bishop, St. Ignatius of Antioch in the Near East, was arrested, brought to Rome by armed guards and eventually martyred there in the arena. In a farewell letter which this early bishop and martyr wrote to his fellow Christians in Smyrna (today Izmir in modern Turkey), he made the first written mention in history of “the Catholic Church.” He wrote, “Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church” (To the Smyrnaeans 8:2). Thus, the second century of Christianity had scarcely begun when the name of the Catholic Church was already in use.

https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/churb3.htm

I do hope as an educated Mom, that you seek the full Truth from Jesus that is protected by the Holy Spirit in the Catholic Church.


160 posted on 05/13/2018 6:45:28 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM; Mom MD; boatbums; metmom
Do you just make up fake news?

No she doesn't....but apparently you've bought the made up false history taught to so many Roman Catholics.

Your post from #86 asserted the following to mommd:

Also please document the “Roman Church” or acknowledge that this is just a protestant nickname.

I provided you with Roman Catholic sources that showed the term Roman Catholic was in use well before the Reformation to which you've had no reply. FYI the Reformation was from 1517-1648. You may note the dates below are prior to the Reformation.

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Pope Innocent III, (1208: DS 792): "We believe in our heart and confess in our mouth that there is one Church, not of heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic apostolic Church, outside of which we believe no one is saved."

Pope Innocent III (A.D. 1198 - 1216): "With our hearts we believe and with our lips we confess but one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside which we believe that no one is saved." (Denzinger 423)

In 1321 Pope John XXII wrote in a letter to the Armenians: "[The Roman Catholic Church] teaches...that the souls...of those who die in mortal sin, or with original sin only, descend immediately into hell; however to be punished with different penalties and in different places." (Denz. 493a)

http://www.catholic-legate.com/articles/rigorism.html

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I do hope as an educated Roman Catholic, or at least you are now, that you see the error of your post and will publicly admit you were wrong with your facts.

You were wrong in your assertion regarding the name Roman Catholic being a "protestant nickname".....why should be take your word on anything else related to Roman Catholicism?

Will you admit your error or will you just keep drinking the Roman Catholic kool-aid?

161 posted on 05/13/2018 11:06:43 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM; Mom MD; metmom; boatbums
He wrote, “Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church” (To the Smyrnaeans 8:2).

You are WRONG again as your source is wrong again.

The correct quote:

Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. —Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/apologetics-with-st-ignatius-of-antioch

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"Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be, even as wheresoever Christ Jesus is, there is the catholic church.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/history/people/martyrs/ignatius-of-antioch.html

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"Where there is Christ Jesus, there is the Catholic Church."307 307 St. Ignatius of Antioch, Ad Smyrn. 8,2:Apostolic Fathers,II/2,311.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm

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8:2 Wherever the bishop appear, there let the multitude be; even as wherever Christ Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-smyrnaeans-hoole.html

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Instead of living up to your handle nickname whereby you've added sum (adsum) to what has been revealed, now you've deleted sum.

You now have the credibility of Obama or Hillary.

How can you expect anyone to take your word on anything related to these matters going forward?

162 posted on 05/13/2018 11:20:18 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM

I have tried to be nice now I will be blunt I have the full Truth of Jesus Christ as revealed by the Holy Spirit in Scripture. The body of knowledge you claim in the Roman Church contains much error and frankly downright blasphemy and apostasy. Luther tried to reform then ultimately fled from the poison contained therein. Besides the well documented extra biblical heresies of your sect have you looked at the wealth and power the Roman Church has amassed? As followers of Christ we are told to store up our treasure in heaven. The Roman Church has sold itself repeatedly for earthly wealth and power. They have their reward.

I have several Roman friends that I and others have had the privilege of sharing the simple Truth of the Gospel with. The change in their life and attitude when they realize salvation is a free gift they can add nothing to and that they can be assured of is both wonderful and heartbreaking. Heartbreaking when they realize how much of their life they have wasted trying to earn salvation through works, something they knew deep inside they could never do. Sadly o have family members still ensnared in Rome’s web. And despite what other have accused Protestants of they are
Pro abortion, lived together openly before marriage and are quite liberal. And good members of their local parish so there goes the argument of people fleeing Rome so they can have their favorite sins. Apparently you can be Roman and still have your favorite sin
I wish no Roman Catholic I’ll. In fact I wish you could all have the joy and assurance of Salvation those of us you look down on already have. But the Roman sect? I hate it for what it does to its followers.
I wish you joy and peace in Jesus Christ and Him alone


163 posted on 05/13/2018 12:56:33 PM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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