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To: ADSUM; Mom MD; metmom; boatbums
Also please document the “Roman Church” or acknowledge that this is just a protestant nickname.

Once again, let's let Roman Catholicism speak for Roman Catholicism...but some general history of the term first.

The term "Roman", as in the "Roman Church", has been used since the Middle Ages – often connoting the local particular church of the Diocese of Rome – the first known occurrence of "Roman Catholic" as a synonym for "Catholic Church" was in communication with the Armenian Apostolic Church in 1208, after the East–West Schism.

Formulations such as the "Holy Roman Church" or the "Roman Catholic Church" were sometimes used by officials of the Catholic Church before[9][10] and after the Reformation,[11][12][13][14][15] especially in the context of ecumenical dialogue where the dialogue partner had a reason to prefer this usage. It is also used for instance in wordings such as Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church, referring to the Diocese of Rome.

The use of "Catholic Church" is usually preferred by the Holy See and most of its adherents. The last official magisterium document to use "Roman Catholic Church" was issued by Pope Pius XII in 1950.[16] "Catholic Church" was used by Pope Paul VI when signing the documents of the Second Vatican Council.[17] This preference also usually appears on the website of the Holy See. In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, only "Catholic Church" is used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_(term)

Now we shall allow Roman Catholicism to speak for itself on the issue at hand.

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Pope Innocent III, (1208: DS 792): "We believe in our heart and confess in our mouth that there is one Church, not of heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic apostolic Church, outside of which we believe no one is saved."

Pope Innocent III (A.D. 1198 - 1216): "With our hearts we believe and with our lips we confess but one Church, not that of the heretics, but the Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside which we believe that no one is saved." (Denzinger 423)

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In 1321 Pope John XXII wrote in a letter to the Armenians: "[The Roman Catholic Church] teaches...that the souls...of those who die in mortal sin, or with original sin only, descend immediately into hell; however to be punished with different penalties and in different places." (Denz. 493a)

http://www.catholic-legate.com/articles/rigorism.html

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Pope Eugene IV and the Council of Florence (A.D. 1438 - 1445): "[The most Holy Roman Church] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart `into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels' (Matt. 25:41), unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." http://traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Information/Salvation_Outside.html

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27. Some say they are not bound by the doctrine, explained in Our Encyclical Letter of a few years ago, and based on the Sources of Revelation, which teaches that the Mystical Body of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church are one and the same thing.[6] Some reduce to a meaningless formula the necessity of belonging to the true Church in order to gain eternal salvation. Others finally belittle the reasonable character of the credibility of Christian faith. HUMANI GENERIS 1950

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There is only one true Church, the Roman Catholic Church, outside which there is no salvation.

We must believe that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true Church; hence, they who are out of our Church, or they who are separated from it, cannot be saved.

But if you do believe there is a God, you must also believe that there is a true religion; and if you do not believe that the Roman Catholic is the true one, tell me, which one is? Saint Alphonsus Maria Liguori 1696-1787

http://www.catholictradition.org/Tradition/salvation2-7.htm

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It must be held as a matter of faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church no one can be saved, that the Church is the only Ark of Salvation, and that whoever does not enter it will perish in the Flood. 1846-1878 - Bl. Pope Pius IX http://www.catholictradition.org/Saints/saintly-quotes26.htm

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You sure you're Roman Catholic??

111 posted on 05/12/2018 10:15:34 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

So, by those comments, the EO, the Greek Orthodox, the Russian Orthodox, the Ukrainian Catholic, all are not saved since they are not ROMAN Catholic or in subjection to it.


126 posted on 05/12/2018 11:37:50 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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