The Election of Francis Was Orchestrated [Msgr. Livi]

Gloria TV ^ | 4/25/18

[marshmallow]

Francis Was Elected To Carry Out a Lutheran Reform

Monsignor Antonio Livi, a former dean and professor at the Lateran University in Rome, formerly incardinated in the Opus Dei, told Gloria.tv in an exclusive interview that Pope Francis was elected to carry out a – quote – “reform in the Lutheran sense”. According to Livi, in the new Lutheran church-to-come the pope, the bishops and the priests will not be anymore an expression of the sacred but of politics.

The Term “People” Is A Rhetorical Image

Monsignor Livi criticizes the term “people” which Pope Francis loves to apply to the Church. Livi points out that “people” is a mere rhetorical image. Quote, “The people is made up of a multitude of different persons, therefore nobody ever knows what ‘the people’ wants.” And, “There are those in the people who are full of faith like Padre Pio and those who have no faith at all.”

The Election of Francis Was Orchestrated

On the basis of many historical witnesses Monsignor Livi is -quote – “absolutely certain” that the election of Pope Francis was orchestrated. He also points out that it is absurd to claim that Francis is pope because the Holy Spirit wanted so. Quote, “The Holy Spirit inspires everybody so that they may do good, but not everybody who is inspired by the Holy Spirit, effectivly does good.”

[ealgeone]

I am a follower of Christ as I have told you numerous times. That makes me a Christian. Just like the disciples who followed Christ. (Acts 11:26)

I do not recall you, or hardly any other Roman Catholic, making that public profession.

You're right. Christians reject the papacy and do rely upon Scripture. Scripture is inspired. Not Roman Catholic "Tradition".

You however, must follow your current pope in what he says. You have no choice per Unam Sanctam....or does that not apply to you?

So tell us, ebb....which one of these aspects of the Roman Catholic church are you a member of [date in parenthesis date of origin...pay special attention to them]:

Catholic Charismatic Renewal – 160 million[4]

Blue Army of Our Lady of Fátima – 20 million (1946)

This one was very interesting.

The official pledge of membership is: I pledge myself to Our Lady and wish [a totally non-Biblical, and in fact, a contradictory position from both Old and New Testaments], thereby, to join the World Apostolate of Fátima

Dear Queen and Mother, who promised at Fátima to convert Russia and bring peace to all mankind, in reparation for my sins and the sins of the whole world, I solemnly promise to Your Immaculate Heart:

To offer up every day the sacrifices demanded by my daily duty

To pray at least five decades of the Rosary daily while meditating on the Mysteries

To wear the Scapular of Mount Carmel as profession of this promise and as an act of consecration to You,

To accomplish the devotion of the Five First Saturdays of the month, including the fifteen-minute meditation on the Mysteries of the Rosary.

I shall renew this promise often, especially in moments of temptation.

Legion of Mary (active and auxiliary) – 10 million

International Catholic Conference of Scouting – 8 million (1948)

Cursillo – 5 million (1944)

Worldwide Marriage Encounter – 5 million couples

Marian Movement of Priests – 5 million (1972)

Militia Immaculatae – 3 million (1917)

International Alliance of Catholic Knights – several million (1979)

Knights of Columbus – 1.9 million (1882)

Schoenstatt Apostolic Movement – several million (started 1914)

Nocturnal Adoration Societies - 2 million

Neocatechumenal Way – 1 million ( 1964)

Couples for Christ - 1 million

Society of Saint Vincent de Paul – 0.8 million (1833)

Secular Franciscan Order – 0.4 million (1221)

Young Christian Workers (JOC) - 0.2 million (1924)

School of the Cross - 0.2 million

Focolare Movement – 0.14 million (1943)

Christian Life Community - 0.12 million

Opus Dei – 0.095 million (1928)

Pax Romana (organization) - 0.06 million

Community of Sant'Egidio – 0.05 million

Communion and Liberation - 0.05 million (1954)

Salesian Cooperators Association - 0.03 million

Christian Life Movement - 0.025 million

Regnum Christi – 0.02 million

Our Lady's Rosary Makers – 0.017 million

Personal Ordinariate for former Anglicans – 0.012 million

[ebb tide]

I am a follower of Christ as I have told you numerous times.

You may think that.

A real follower of Christ would belong to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church that He founded upon His rock.

Please, Don’t Call Protestants Christians

[ealgeone]

>>I am a follower of Christ as I have told you numerous times.<<

You may think that.

I know that. Question is....do you? I've never heard you affirm or deny that. So which is it....are you a follower of Christ. Are you taking Him at His promise:

24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. John 5:24 NASB

Should be a pretty easy answer.

A real follower of Christ would belong to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church that He founded upon His rock.

No....a follower of Christ is a follower of Christ. Church membership means nothing.

20“Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.” 21Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22“You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23“But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” 25The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.” 26Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He.” John 4:20-26 NASB

[Cementjungle]

It was Obama’s doing. That was obvious all along.

[ebb tide]

>>Church membership means nothing.<<

I thought you were one of those bible thumpers.

Douay-Rheims Bible + Challoner Notes
Whole Bible Old Testament New Testament Index
1
100%

“And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.”
[Matthew 18:17]
2
50%

“If any man be not expiated after this rite, his soul shall perish out of the midst of the church: because he hath profaned the sanctuary of the Lord, and was not sprinkled with the water of purification.”
[Numbers 19:20]
3
50%

“Why have you brought out the church of the Lord into the wilderness, that both we and our cattle should die?”
[Numbers 20:4]
4
50%

“An eunuch, whose testicles are broken or cut away, or yard cut off, shall not enter into the church of the Lord.”
[Deuteronomy 23:1]
5
50%

“A mamzer, that is to say, one born of a prostitute, shall not enter into the church of the Lord, until the tenth generation.”
[Deuteronomy 23:2]
6
50%

“The Ammonite and the Moabite, even after the tenth generation shall not enter into the church of the Lord for ever:”
[Deuteronomy 23:3]
7
50%

“They that are born of them, in the third generation shall enter into the church of the Lord.”
[Deuteronomy 23:8]
8
50%

“And on that day they read in the book of Moses in the hearing of the people: and therein was found written, that the Ammonites and the Moabites should not come in to the church of God for ever:”
[2 Esdras (Nehemiah) 13:1]
9
50%

“And afterwards all the people were called together, and they prayed all the night long within the church, desiring help of the God of Israel.”
[Judith 6:21]
10
50%

“I will declare thy name to my brethren: in the midst of the church will I praise thee.”
[Psalms 21:23]
11
50%

“With thee is my praise in a great church: I will pay my vows in the sight of them that fear him.”
[Psalms 21:26]
12
50%

“I will give thanks to thee in a great church; I will praise thee in a strong people.”
[Psalms 34:18]
13
50%

“I have declared thy justice in a great church, lo, I will not restrain my lips: O Lord, thou knowest it.”
[Psalms 39:10]
14
50%

“The heavens shall confess thy wonders, O Lord: and thy truth in the church of the saints.”
[Psalms 88:6]
15
50%

“And let them exalt him in the church of the people: and praise him in the chair of the ancients.”
[Psalms 106:32]
16
50%

“Sing ye to the Lord a new canticle: let his praise be in the church of the saints.”
[Psalms 149:1]
17
50%

“I have almost been in all evil, in the midst of the church and of the congregation.”
[Proverbs 5:14]
18
50%

“The sons of wisdom are the church of the just: and their generation, obedience and love.”
[Ecclesiasticus 3:1]
19
50%

“And in the midst of the church she shall open his mouth, and shall fill him with the spirit of wisdom and understanding, and shall clothe him with a robe of glory.”
[Ecclesiasticus 15:5]
20
50%

“The mouth of the prudent is sought after in the church, and they will think upon his words in their hearts.”
[Ecclesiasticus 21:20]

[ebb tide]

61
50%

“But in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may instruct others also; than ten thousand words in a tongue.”
[1 Corinthians 14:19]
62
50%

“If therefore the whole church come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in unlearned persons or infidels, will they not say that you are mad?”
[1 Corinthians 14:23]
63
50%

“But if there be no interpreter, let him hold his peace in the church, and speak to himself and to God.”
[1 Corinthians 14:28]
64
50%

“But if they would learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church.”
[1 Corinthians 14:35]
65
50%

“For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”
[1 Corinthians 15:9]
66
50%

“The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house, with whom I also lodge.”
[1 Corinthians 16:19]
67
50%

“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother: to the church of God that is at Corinth, with all the saints that are in all Achaia:”
[2 Corinthians 1:1]
68
50%

“For you have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion: how that, beyond measure, I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it.”
[Galatians 1:13]
69
50%

“And he hath subjected all things under his feet, and hath made him head over all the church,”
[Ephesians 1:22]
70
50%

“That the manifold wisdom of God may be made known to the principalities and powers in heavenly places through the church,”
[Ephesians 3:10]
71
50%

“To him be glory in the church, and in Christ Jesus unto all generations, world without end. Amen.”
[Ephesians 3:21]
72
50%

“Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body.”
[Ephesians 5:23]
73
50%

“Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so also let the wives be to their husbands in all things.”
[Ephesians 5:24]
74
50%

“Husbands, love your wives, as Christ also loved the church, and delivered himself up for it:”
[Ephesians 5:25]
75
50%

“That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy, and without blemish.”
[Ephesians 5:27]
76
50%

“For no man ever hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, as also Christ doth the church:”
[Ephesians 5:29]
77
50%

“This is a great sacrament; but I speak in Christ and in the church.”
[Ephesians 5:32]
78
50%

“According to zeal, persecuting the church of God; according to the justice that is in the law, conversing without blame.”
[Philippians 3:6]
79
50%

“And you also know, O Philippians, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but you only:”
[Philippians 4:15]
80
50%

“And he is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he may hold the primacy:”
[Colossians 1:18]

[ealgeone]

You do understand what ekklesia means......don’t you? It’s not a building or denomination.

Your disdain for Scripture is duly noted.

Awaiting your answer to the question. Should be an easy one.

[ebb tide]

You said, “Church membership means nothing.”

I have shown the Bible states otherwise.

You never answer my questions, yet when cornered you demand answers from me. No more.

[ebb tide]

Your disdain for Scripture is duly noted.

How is quoting scripture, verbatim, to prove you're wrong a disdain of scripture?

[ealgeone]

Use of the term “Bible thumper”.

Still awaiting your answers.

[ebb tide]

“Protestant”, look it up.

[ealgeone]

Again.....do you understand what ekklesia means?

You continue to publicly affirm faith in Christ. That is duly noted.

[ealgeone]

Dude....are you that obtuse?

[ebb tide]

Dude....are you that obtuse?

Are you that protestant?

[ebb tide]

You continue to publicly affirm faith in Christ. That is duly noted.

No kidding, Sherlock?

[Maris Crane]

I shall always have my Faith.

I need, neither a building, nor a pope.

And in time a Holy Man will come and restore sanity. As I said, I will always have my Faith.

[ebb tide]

Use of the term “Bible thumper”.

You should know:

What is the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture?

[ealgeone]

Correction.....you’ve yet to publicly affirm your faith in Christ. You’ve affirmed you’re a Roman Catholic but those are two different things.

[ealgeone]

Yep. And Christians stand by the reliance upon only Scripture as it is inspired.

Rome’s “Tradition “, like the Mormon’s Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price, the Koran and others cannot make that claim.

[ealgeone]

You never answer my questions, yet when cornered you demand answers from me. No more.

Cornered....by you???? LOL....oh that's made by day.

Oh, man. I'm still laughing.

Still awaiting your answer on which one of those Roman Catholic groups you belong to.....and your public affirmation of John 5:24.