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To: Sontagged
The New Testament/Covenant is proved by the Old Testament/Covenant.

You assert this, but you don't even try to prove it. Is this something everyone is supposed to "just know???"

You can’t separate them.

Since the Hebrew Bible preceded the "new testament" by a thousand years, this statement of yours is ridiculous. Furthermore chrstians read the Hebrew Bible as mere history; Orthodox Jews still follow it as G-d's requirement for them.

You have to provide evidence for why Jesus is not the Messiah, based on His claims upon the Old Testament/Covenant.

So feel free.

No I do not. In fact, just the opposite is true, and you would recognize that if you were capable of logical thought.

Judaism pre-existed chrstianity. Chrstianity is historically something new making a claim against something already established, or in legal terms, something already "in possession." You don't overthrow the already established for the new unless you are absolutely certain. But evidently there's no such thing as a chrstian who understands this.

I've been on this forum for almost nineteen years and I have never seen a chrstian give a legitimate, logical response as to why he believes chrstianity supersedes/"fulfills" Judaism, other than that's what the "new testament" says. It's the legitimacy of the "new testament" we're arguing about! You can't invoke it to prove itself!

Oh, and btw, "just wait till you're frying in hell" isn't an argument either.

250 posted on 04/20/2018 7:04:58 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vegam Yehudah tillachem biYrushalayim . . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Christians do not see the OT as history. The OT is the living Word of God just as is the NT. God is the same OT and NT. In fact the entire OT points to and testifies about Jesus Christ the messiah. OT and NT are all about Jesus


260 posted on 04/20/2018 8:37:50 AM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Sontagged

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The “Old Testament” is precisely what Yeshua and his apostles preached.

Its what they all grew up hearing read in their synagogue.

The “New Covenant” is exactly the Old Covenant perfected by a perfect sinless human sacrifice.

That is what Jeremiah said. The covenant was renewed with the very same “people” that made the old covenant.

It was not made with an immaginary “church.” Yeshua’s Kehillah is not a church; it is the sum of his remnant through the ages from beginning to end.
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261 posted on 04/20/2018 8:39:51 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Sontagged
I've been on this forum for almost nineteen years and I have never seen a chrstian give a legitimate, logical response as to why he believes chrstianity supersedes/"fulfills" Judaism, other than that's what the "new testament" says.

I've been on for over ten years and I HAVE seen many times where people give you legitimate and logical reasons for what you say you are looking for. Perhaps the real issue is you don't WANT to accept what has been proven? Jesus IS the promised Messiah. We would not have been able to recognize him without Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.

    Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled” that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. (Luke 24:43,44)

318 posted on 04/20/2018 7:28:36 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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