Posted on 04/17/2018 8:56:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
In my best Scottish accent: You’ll no find me in anythin but Young’s literal. The dirty English ney translate God.
Sure. That's the unavoidable hazard of the person who must be either a translatong interpreter or an interpreting translator, It's not an eviable position in which the person who really seeks the Truth rther than personal fame finds him/herself.
The old missionary, Fred Wittman, has done exactly what you postulate as the way translation should be done. One volume of his translation of the New Testament has been published, "The Gospels: A Precise Translation" (click here), and it (the nicely bound APT volume) is free to you if you just notify the web site administrator. Its date of shipping depends on when the organization, Happy Heralds, Inc. receives the needed funds from its donors. Thousands of copies have been sent out from a debt-free site (Rom. 13:8; Matt. 0:8; Gen. 2:16; Rev. 22:17).
This volume has many helpful features. There is a glossary of the Greek words, an appendix that gives the chronology of Jesus' ministry, center columns on each page giving hints as to particular uses of the verbs and prepositions, a notation on each page giving the dates in which the action is taking place, etc.
Its underlying Greek Texts are the Scrivener's Textus Receptus and the more recent Robinson & Pierpont Byzantine/Majority Greek Text. As the author Robert Martin has pointed out, the reading is kind of wooden and harder to read for the beginner, but it is a great supplement to understanding troublesome passages of the KJV, for Bible students pastors, and missionaries.
Let me encourage you and everyone here to apply for a copy. Dr. Wittman is finishing the last touches of preparing the second volume of the remaining books of the New Testament. But he is getting pretty old, his wife just died a few months ago, and his health is failing. Y'all could pray for him and his work. He is a servant of God who has been working for the Lord faithfully every day since his youth, with an amazing body of publications. He himself deliberately has no presence on the internet, not even email, and thus has never had any viruses to make his old Windows 3.11 operating system stumble. But his creation Happy Heralds, Inc. does, and is daily overseen by a webmaster, who is also the president of the corporation.
But, contrary to your hypothesis, the translation of the Greek is context-sensitive as is every human language. And you, even if you used only one language with which to communicate, experientially do the same when your alter ego silently in your cranium renders the words you hear or read to have the sense to your inner being of what the person communicating to you seems to be projecting. In fact, one of the quirks of your FR responses is that you seek other meanings for what a commenter writes, sometimes to his/her dismay, or to portray one's vagaries. But the APT very intentionally tries to use the words repeatedly in exactly the same sense that you seem to think they ought to. I use this volume to help me stay consistent and true to what the Spirit says in the Inspired Word when I see that a particular version fails. Note that the Wittman rendering calls itself A Precise Translation, not The Precise Translation.
It is of note that, despite what you have suggested here, your handling of the Bible tends to go the other way, by using versions that are not designed to be literally consistent.
FWIW.
Not pejorative or condemning, just an informed observation.
Respectfully . . . imardmd1
Does Jewish thought have any bearing on this? In God's Omniscient, Omnipresent Mind, of course the canon was complete before the creation took place. As is the finalizing of your salvation. He is not ever surprised.
Not circular, Silly. Faithful to God, guided by the Spirit. God does the choosing, commissioning, and pre/con/serving. More later. (I just wiped out a more detailed response by creating it in Firefox and then miskeying, rather than composing in a text editor. So, tomorrow.)
FWIW.
Not pejorative or condemning, just an informed observation.
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Which one of the five; if any; are you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Only_movement#Variations
2 Timothy 2:14
Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.
Are you familiar with Young’s Literal Translation? I find it very useful.
It’s just one
I be betweeen #2 and #3, but Hodges and his "Free Grace" theological platform (or lack of it) is not my cup of tea. His co-authpr of the Majority Text, Art Farstad, is more of the mindset I might get along with, if he'd let me. I've heard that he can be quite aloof. Farstad played a pretty big role in developing the (so-called) "New" King James Version. But by all means, don't think that is interchangeable with the AV. It is not, IMHO.
I will continue to use the KJV/AV as my document for daily reading, study, and memorization, and the TR and Robinson/Pierpont Byzantine Majority as the preferred resources for the Greek. Also, I use the free e-Sword Bible software almost daily.
As far as quarrelling about words, it's OK to take a firm stance on translating nethod and stick to it. Nor is it wrong to have exchanges about what a Greek or Hebrew passage means in another language. That's not quite the same as telling the Holy Ghost that He chose the wrong words to express Himself.
Nothing wrong at all with this plan.
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The renewed covenant in his blood!
New = Old + sinless blood.
John’s first epistle is our complete guide.
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Foolish words!
I do not accuse Paul of anything!
Stop disinforming and falsely accusing.
Michael Rood sycophant, what did your leader teach you this week?
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some of what we have now has been deliberately modified by Eusebius to support Constantine’s paganism.
More and more NT MS are being found in the original Hebrew. These are wonderful times that we are living in.
The Vatican garbage bin (unfiled MS box) is yielding fabulous treasures due to Nehenia Gordon’s diligent effort. In a few years we may have it all.
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Stop this sickness please!
Do not allow yourself to be the adversary’s agent.
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Are you ashamed to be exposed as a sycophant of Michael Rood?
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Unlike you, I am no sycophant of anything.
I do respect those that work hard to bring Yeshua’s sheep his truth though, no matter how much you prefer the sweet “lies wherein there is no profit.”
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You are a Michael Rood sycophant. Ashamed to admit it? ... Figures
I keep hearing of this; but have seen no evidence.
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