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So Many Charismatic Casualties (False Prophecies, Promised Healings That Never Came, etc.)
Christian Post ^ | 04/16/2018 | Michael Brown

Posted on 04/17/2018 8:56:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Mark17; aMorePerfectUnion; SeekAndFind
In Acts 28:3-5, we have an account of the Apostle Paul accidentally being bitten by a snake:

    And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid [them] on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. And when the barbarians saw the [venomous] beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.

Perhaps this account was added by Mark, who was a disciple of Paul and who was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write that down. The lesson that gets taught is that when we are in God's will, then only what He has approved will happen to us. No one can harm us unless that is part of God's plan. It certainly is NOT any kind of test of faith to tempt God with snake handling or poison drinking any more than jumping off tall building.

321 posted on 04/20/2018 8:05:47 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: Mark17

“I have heard of holy rollers before, but never Holy rattlers.

If you’re going to be a snake-handler, ya gotta have snakes!


322 posted on 04/20/2018 8:07:56 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; boatbums
If you’re going to be a snake-handler, ya gotta have snakes!

No thanks bro. I hate snakes. Speaking of that, it seems to me, that for the most part, the majority of people in the world, have an aversion toward snakes 🐍 I wonder if it goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden?
My wife’s relatives, that live up in the mountainous, remote regions, don’t like snakes either, but they hunt snakes, for food. I have never eaten any, but they tell me it tastes like chicken.

323 posted on 04/21/2018 12:54:59 AM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: editor-surveyor
Oh?
What is it?
324 posted on 04/21/2018 3:57:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor
Acts 8:36-39

36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing.



325 posted on 04/21/2018 4:01:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
He coveyed it hust fine in the Greek.

Then since Greek is the language of GOD; it would behoove True Believers to learn it, read it, speak it and LIVE it.


Then accusations against the KJV only crowd would be silenced; right?

326 posted on 04/21/2018 4:05:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
He was not very good with the English, so needed a translator for those blue-nosed Britons.

1 Corinthians 14:28

327 posted on 04/21/2018 4:08:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Sontagged
Anyway, getting back to the raison d’être for this thread...

(False Prophecies, Promised Healings That Never Came, etc.)


https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-joseph-smith/chapter-33?lang=eng
 
 
Sounds good; and then about only 10% or so ever left  Missouri for Utah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_handcart_pioneers
 
 
Too bad the Living Prophet did not see any difficulties in doing so, as merely about 240 died pulling the carts...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_handcart_pioneers#1856:_Willie_and_Martin_handcart_companies

328 posted on 04/21/2018 4:19:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor

; ^ )


329 posted on 04/21/2018 4:20:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

FINALLY!

A thread detour!!

330 posted on 04/21/2018 4:22:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor

Huh?

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.


331 posted on 04/21/2018 4:24:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor
It's 1 John 2:7
332 posted on 04/21/2018 4:25:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
I dunno, but there were seventy nations at Babel.

Oh??


1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

— Genesis 11:1–9[10]
 
 
 

Biblical account[edit]

Genesis 11:1 claims that prior to the event, humanity spoke a single language. In the confusion of tongues, this language was split into seventy or seventy-two dialects, depending on tradition. This has sometimes been interpreted as being in contradiction to Genesis 10:5:

Of these were the isles of the nations divided in their lands, every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
 
 

Enumeration of scattered languages[edit]

There are several mediaeval historiographic accounts that attempt to make an enumeration of the languages scattered at the Tower of Babel. Because a count of all the descendants of Noah listed by name in chapter 10 of Genesis (LXX) provides 15 names for Japheth's descendants, 30 for Ham's, and 27 for Shem's, these figures became established as the 72 languages resulting from the confusion at Babel — although the exact listing of these languages changed over time. (The LXX Bible has two additional names, Elisa and Cainan, not found in the Masoretic text of this chapter, so early rabbinic traditions, such as the Mishna, speak instead of "70 languages".) Some of the earliest sources for 72 (sometimes 73) languages are the 2nd-century Christian writers Clement of Alexandria (Stromata I, 21) and Hippolytus of Rome (On the Psalms 9); it is repeated in the Syriac book Cave of Treasures (c. 350 CE), Epiphanius of Salamis' Panarion (c. 375) and St. Augustine's The City of God 16.6 (c. 410). The chronicles attributed to Hippolytus (c. 234) contain one of the first attempts to list each of the 72 peoples who were believed to have spoken these languages.

 

 

The above from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Babel


333 posted on 04/21/2018 4:33:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Nor did I feel any warmth form their hands, although other people claim to feel that when God heals them..

I've had the opposite experience.

I'd gone to work feeling poorly; ate little at lunch and by afternoon I was coming down with the classic symptoms of the flu as I had many times before in my life: achy, cold, weak. Just plain miserable.

A fellow Christian (charismatic type) noticed my distress and asked me if I wanted himto pray for me.

(Sure; what can it hurt) I thought.

He placed his hands on my back as I sat in front of the console of equipment I was operating.

I don't think he spoke in tongues, for I remember his simple words (Maybe I self interpreted ;^).

There WAS a warmth that started in my shoulders and spread down to my toes.

Within 5 minutes or so I was fine!

334 posted on 04/21/2018 4:41:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
... again, a new command I write to you...

Details

--Uncle Screwtape(Shape up; Wormwood!)

335 posted on 04/21/2018 4:43:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.

Where's that thar Holy Spirit feller that's s'pposed to teach us all them thar things??

Perhaps the snakes chased 'I'm away!

336 posted on 04/21/2018 4:46:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
The wall writer in Daniel 5 used language, written language, to convey a message, a judgment.

That needed to be translated so the intended recipient of the message could understand.

337 posted on 04/21/2018 4:48:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
An interesting aside is, UFO crashes reveal hieroglyphs on and in the crafts.

Yup; I've seen that stuff on Babylon 5

338 posted on 04/21/2018 4:49:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Halfway!


339 posted on 04/21/2018 4:51:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Linda Frances
When she died 3 months later I was told it was because of unbelief

I am a doctor. I am not an evangelical/charismatic, but I am a Christian.

I had my early training at a cancer hospital, and have had plenty of exposure to people and families at the end of life since then.

The very worst heresy, in my opinion, is to accuse the afflicted of lacking saving faith, to tell them, in effect, that if you were REALLY a follower of Our Lord that you wouldn't have cancer, or that your cancer would go away, and so on.

This is a direct contradiction of Matthew 5:45 and Luke 13:4. His ways are not our ways.

If I believed that illness (which is very common) and death (which is universal) falling on so many faithful Christians that I have cared for was a sign of unbelief or of judgement, I could not function.

340 posted on 04/21/2018 5:15:20 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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