Posted on 03/14/2018 5:02:35 PM PDT by ebb tide
Cardinal Walter Kasper, whose theology appears to be the chief inspiration for Pope Francis doctrine on giving Holy Communion to people living in states of adultery in second marriages, now appears to be claiming that homosexual unions contain elements of Christian marriage and are even analogous to it in a way that is similar to the relationship between the Catholic Church and non-Catholic Christian communities.
Moreover, the cardinal is attributing his claims to Pope Francis apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia, despite the fact that the document explicitly contradicts him.
The pope does not leave room for doubt over the fact that civil marriages, de facto unions, new marriages following a divorce (Amoris Laetitia 291) and unions between homosexual persons (Amoris Laetitia 250s.) do not correspond to the Christian conception of marriage, writes Kasper in a recently-released book on Amoris Laetitia.
He says, however, that some of these partners can realize in a partial and analogous way some elements in Christian marriage (Amoris Laetitia 292), continues Kasper.
Kasper compares such relationships with the relationship between the Catholic Church and non-Catholic Christian groups, whom Vatican II says contain elements of sanctification and truth of the Church.
Just as outside the Catholic Church there are elements of the true Church, in the above-mentioned unions there can be elements present of Christian marriage, although they do not completely fulfill, or do not yet completely fulfill, the ideal, adds Kasper.
The statements appear in Kaspers new booklet, "The Message of Amoris Laetitia: A Fraternal Discussion," which was recently published simultaneously in German and Italian.
In the same work, Kasper also insinuates that Amoris Laetitia opens the way to permit the use of contraception, a practice that is universally condemned in the Scriptures, Church Fathers, and the Papal Magisterium, most recently by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.
Kasper notes that in Amoris Laetitia, the Pope only encourages the use of the method of observing the cycles of natural fertility, and does not say anything about other methods of family planning and avoids all casuistic definitions. In the context with the books passages on communion for those who commit adultery in second marriages, which use similar language, Kasper appears to be claiming that the pope is allowing for exceptions to the Churchs condemnation of artificial birth control.
Kaspers words regarding homosexual unions appear to directly contradict not only the doctrines of John Paul II but even Amoris Laetitia, the document he purports to explain.
Under the papacy of John Paul II and the administration of Cardinal Josef Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI), the Holy Sees Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith expressly repudiated the idea that homosexual unions can be analogous to marriage. The document was issued in 2003 and received the approval of John Paul II.
There are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family, the Congregation declared. Marriage is holy, while homosexual acts go against the natural moral law. Homosexual acts close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
The paragraphs in Amoris Laetitia cited by Kasper to justify treating homosexual unions as analogous to marriage contain no clear reference to homosexual unions but simply refer to the constructive elements in those situations which do not yet or no longer correspond to her teaching on marriage.
However, Amoris Laetitia states in paragraph 251, In discussing the dignity and mission of the family, the Synod Fathers observed that, as for proposals to place unions between homosexual persons on the same level as marriage, there are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to Gods plan for marriage and family. Francis and the Synod Fathers are quoting the same 2003 document of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith mentioned above.
Cardinal Kaspers apparent desire to legitimize homosexual unions reflects the thinking of several influential bishops in the German hierarchy.
The Vice President of the German Episcopal Conference, Bishop Franz-Josef Bode, recently has said homosexual unions include positive and good aspects and has proposed blessings for them. He made similar comments in 2015.
Cardinal Reinhard Marx, a member of the Popes Council of Cardinal Advisers, apparently endorsed the possibility of blessing homosexual unions earlier this year, and then appeared to backtrack after heavy criticism, claiming that he only wanted to give such couples spiritual encouragement.
In June 2015, Bishop Heiner Koch of Dresden-Meissen (now Archbishop of Berlin), was quoted by the German Catholic newspaper Die Tagespost as saying, Any bond that strengthens and holds people is in my eyes good; that applies also to same-sex relationships.
The German bishops website, Katholisch.de, published an article in 2015 defending the notion of blessing homosexual unions, and blasting German Bishop Stefan Oster, who oversees the diocese of Passau, for defending the traditional moral teaching of the Church on sexuality.
Cardinal Kasper himself publicly endorsed Irelands creation of the institution of homosexual marriage in 2015, saying: A democratic state has the duty to respect the will of the people; and it seems clear that, if the majority of the people wants such homosexual unions, the state has a duty to recognize such rights.
However, Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, a German and former prefect of the Holy Sees Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, condemned such blessings in February, as have some other German and Austrian bishops.
If a priest blesses a homosexual couple, then this is an atrocity at a holy site, namely, to approve of something that God does not approve of, said Müller.
In announcing the publication of the book, Kasper complained that people are using the word heresy to describe the teaching that Holy Communion can be given to people in habitual states of adultery, which seems to be taught by Pope Francis in his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia.
There is a very bitter debate (about the Popes teaching), way too strong, with accusations of heresy, Kasper said in a recent interview with Vatican News, the Holy Sees official news service, regarding "The Message of Amoris Laetitia."
In his book, Kasper protests against those theologians who have accused Francis of heresy, writing in a footnote, Who, other than the Magisterium has the right to make an accusation of that type? Doesnt the principle still hold that until one is legitimately condemned he must be considered to be within the orthodox church?
He also claimed in interviews that Amoris Laetitia is easy to understand.
This documents language is so clear that any Christian can understand it. It is not high theology incomprehensible to people, Kasper said. The People of God are very content and happy with this document because it gives space to freedom, but it also interprets the substance of the Christian message in an understandable language. So, the People of God understand! The Pope has an optimal connection with the People of God.
And that proves what?
Catholics don’t agree with each other.
That’s clear just here on FR.
Luther apostatized from the Catholic Church; I have not, and will never do so.
Is that so? Then how do you know you’re in that “church”?
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Maybe because Jesus himself said so in John 10?
Maybe because St. Paul said that we are saved by grace through faith, and not on account of works?
Maybe because Jesus said that the ‘work of God’ that brings salvation is to believe in Jesus? Not in some ‘treasury of merits’?
Paul didn’t agree with Peter; but there was no resulting schism.
What’s your point?
But you all have told us that the Hply Spirit does not guide the CoC in selecting the new pope?
How can Jesus be in charge of your so-called church when Jesus isn't involved in it?
If Jesus is actually in charge of your organization, then why do you have or need a pope?
And why has He let it become so a train wreck?
We should never seek unity at the price of joining with heresy. Truth will always prevail. In the words of your favorite reformer, “here I stand, I can do no other.”
Luther apostatized from the Catholic Church; I have not, and will never do so.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Yeah right. You’re already an apostate according to your own theology because you’ve rejected the Pope’s authority.
So again, what’s the difference between you and Luther other than the fact that you’re not important enough to excommunicate?
The Roman church apostatized from sound doctrine and Luther, and you are going right over the cliff with it. I pray you will wake up in time.
No; Jesus Christ is in charge, not a heretic pope.
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1: Unam Sanctam. By rejecting the Pope, you’re a heretic according to your own theology.
2: If Jesus is in charge, why are you rejecting the very words of Jesus?
Jesus said “26 Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. 27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal. 28 Then they said to him, What must we do, to be doing the works of God? 29 Jesus answered them, This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
YOU say that you have to do all kinds of other good works besides believing in Christ.
Why do you reject the words of Jesus?
Luther didn't leave. The pope gave him the heave ho and ex-communicated him cause he didn't like Luther exposing the sin within the Catholics organization.
Some people get touchy when you call them on their apostasy.
Peter was wrong.
Was Paul supposed to *agree* with him when Peter was sinning?
Unity at all cost?
Horse-hockey.
So I see.
Actually your grasp of history is as good as your grasp of theology. Luther sought to reform the Roman church from within. They threw him out. The Roman church left Luther more than Luther left the Roman church.
Decet Romanum Pontificem
The pope ex-communicated Luther.
Leaving Catholicism was not Luther’s choice. He even asked for it to be lifted and the Vatican refused.
Horse-hockey.
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Never heard of the Diet of Worms, have you?
If Pope Francis demanded that you endorse sodomy and submit to his authority or get excommunicated, what would your decision be?
And that was pre-Vatican 2, if I have my dates right. :)
[21] That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. [22] And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, as we also are one: [23] I in them, and thou in me; that they may be made perfect in one: and the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast also loved me. John 17.
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