Posted on 02/23/2018 6:22:32 PM PST by marshmallow
Zactly.
They put a likeness of MLK on it. Gone.
That’s the griffin which is a medieval symbol of fidelity in marriage. There are many grotesque images in medieval churches in Europe. That’s why they don’t look like modern American churches built to resemble gymnasiums.
Well, they could dump the money pits and sell them to the Muslims, who might pay a premium price for the opportunity to remake them as mosques and declare them the 18th, 19th, 2oth,... most holy sites in Islam.
The Church isn’t in the buildings, after all.
Interesting the French government owns the church but the Catholics are responsible for maintenance and keeping it free for the public. Sounds like the typical model of socialism. We own it...you pay for it. Catholics should just walk away from it. And, btw, it doesn’t sound much different than the National Cathedral in Washington, DC which has devolved into paganism.
I truly love these old buildings but they are a sad reminder of how man repeatedly turns their backs to God.
A griffin is mythology and has no place being part of any Christian anything.
Roman Catholicism’s willingness to incorporate such things in it’s churches and worship is indicative of its willingness to cooperate with the devil.
I’m in no mood to “talk” to you, mom. Go away and stay away from me. Plus, I’m sick of the stupidity and lack of culture from your types.
Americans will know how far into the abyss of Marxism they will have fallen - how many generations? - when the Christian Cathedrals in the U.S. become maintained by the state, not as they are now by their religious orders.
Meaning by adoption, for despite your attempt to redeem the demonic, these grotesque graven images are of pagan origin, found in ancient Persian and Egyptian mythology, which, along with many other things, were adopted by Rome, as Newman affirms, which was part of her religious syncretism.
Unlike a harmless symbolic item such as a marriage ring, these gross images have no place as high and lifted up , demonic graven creatures in the context of religious devotion, even guarding buildings for that purpose and which people lift up their eyes to, and would be cast down by faithful Jews as well as NT Christians as contrary to the command against "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth" (Exodus 20:4) in the context of religious devotion. The only images allowed in the Temple were those God specifically commanded, versus their own initiative, and represented heavenly beings, not the demonic.
Your own Bernard of Clairvaux spoke out against such gargoyles, which certainly also applies to later grotesque versions:
What are these fantastic monsters doing in the cloisters before the eyes of the brothers as they read? What is the meaning of these unclean monkeys, these strange savage lions, and monsters? To what purpose are here placed these creatures, half beast, half man, or these spotted tigers? I see several bodies with one head and several heads with one body. Here is a quadruped with a serpent's head, there a fish with a quadruped's head, then again an animal half horse, half goat... Surely if we do not blush for such absurdities, we should at least regret what we have spent on them. ("Apologia ad Guillelmum abbatem.")
Rather than being compelled to defend the errors of Rome, true Christians defend what the only wholly inspired record of what the NT church believed, and in which Catholic distinctive are not what is manifest .
Why do you take this thread off-topic? It’s about the deteriorating condition of Notre Dame not some fundamentalist anti-Catholicism thread.
So, the Catholic Church isn’t one of the wealthiest institutions on the planet? Or, they decided you can, in fact take it with you.....
The end justifies the means to them, but she is not God, while the reproof of which exposes the cultic devotion of some who simply cannot tolerate anything that impugns the delusion they prefer, even of a by gone era.
This is a public forum and anyone who wants can reply to anything they want.
Too bad.
*lack of culture*?
Pffftttt......
Like God is impressed with *culture*?
When any organization calling itself a church incorporates the demonic into itself, it has ceased being an instrument of God and has soul its collective soul to the devil it worships.
You cannot worship God and Satan at the same time.
The architecture of the building certainly is relevant to the worthiness of its re$toration by the state, and it is you who is evading this issue as a fundamentalist Catholic who has expressed a preference for the days of popes cosseted away in the plush red velvet of the Vatican.
Ah; I see.
The TAXPAYERS do.
AWWWwww...
MM is having yet another bad day; dealing with ignorant Prots and Human Vomit.
I await YOUR solution to the 'problem'.
Don't just whine about others in the room with you.
I see you brought your coven - or your familiar - with you.
I find it sad that certain Americans have no understanding or appreciation of the gifts of Western civilization. You have cut yourself off from your past and you see no satisfaction in the future of society. For you, history begins whenever your particular religion or sect began or split from another sect. I’m different. I love the glories of our cultural achievements. I visit them, read about them, and celebrate them. I hope that they will last long enough for future generations. Which is why I hope France can sort this out. The kind of foot traffic Notre Dame and St. Mark’s in Venice get contribute to these kind of problems.
It would seem in the week that the great Billy Graham has passed away that some of you would stop the Catholic bashing for a minute. But, no...
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