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To: ealgeone

Me, quoted: "Offered up" does not mean, in this context, re-sacrificed, as on Calvary. Christ is eternally offering Himself to His Father. The action of an eternal Divine Person is eternal."

You, commenting: "The CCC says otherwise."

Catechism, quoted: "The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice."

"The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross.""

Excuse me, but nothing in the first quote (from me) contradicts the other quotes (from the CCC.)

This must surely be a reading comprehension problem.

The CCC says this is "one single sacrifice." Go back to the beginning of this thread and see if I didn't say "one sacrifice" about a dozen times.

It "re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross" ---the word,"re-presents," used by CCC. That's just what I said. It makes this one sacrifice present.

You quote things from me and from the Catholic Catechism that confirm the same view, sometimes with the same words, and say they are contradictions.

This is futile. I'm going to have some cookies and sing. I think it might be a good idea for you to do the same.

138 posted on 02/25/2018 1:46:58 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence bymeans of language.-Wittgenstein)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I guess we will have to agree to disagree what "offered up" means.

However, we have yet to address the Roman Catholic position that one is saved, or regains salvation [but which neither are a NT position], through the eating of the wafer.

1414 As sacrifice, the Eucharist is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead and to obtain spiritual or temporal benefits from God. CCC 1414

Eating the wafer is no where in the NT ever noted for salvation.

I'll repost the passage from Acts where Paul answers the jailers poignant question...what must I do to be saved.

Paul and Silas replied:

31They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Acts 16:31 NASB

They did not say, as a Roman Catholic might, that you have to eat His flesh and drink His blood.

They offered the same answer Jesus told the unbelieving Jews...one must believe in Him:

28Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” 29Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” John 6:28-29 NASB

It's the same message Jesus told Nicodemus:

15so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. John 6:15 NASB

It's the same message Paul told the church at Rome:

8But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” Romans 10:8-13 NASB

It's the same message Peter and the disciples understood:

67So Jesus said to the twelve, “You do not want to go away also, do you?” 68Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. 69“We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.” John 6:67-69 NASB

139 posted on 02/25/2018 2:18:14 PM PST by ealgeone
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