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To: Mrs. Don-o
3) I do not understand your refusal to refer to the Catechism. It contradicts any claim that you are interested in an accurate account of Catholicism.

I do not understand how you are not seeing my posts where I've said I've read the Catechism....I've even posted from it.

What you want me to say is I agree with you on the Catechism.

O'Brien notes: When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens [not supported in anyway by the New Testament], brings Christ down from His throne [not supported in anyway by the New Testament and is in contradiction of the NT], and places Him upon our altar[sure sounds like what the Romans did in nailing Christ to the cross] to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man.

This is where the position of Rome is false.

Christ is not offered up again.

It was a one time event that is not repeated....except in Roman Catholicism.

24For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. Hebrews 9:24-25 NASB

the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man—not once but a thousand times![sure sounds repetitive to me AND in contradiction of Hebrews 9:24-25n] The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.[not supported by and stands in contradiction of the New Testament]

Read the Catechism. Then get back to me.

You're getting a little snippy there, mrs.d.

I could say read the Bible and get back to me.

133 posted on 02/25/2018 12:37:31 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
"The eternal Victim" means just that: from eternity. Timeless. Timeless does not mean the same as repetitive.

"Offered up" does not mean, in this context, re-sacrificed, as on Calvary. Christ is eternally offering Himself to His Father. The action of an eternal Divine Person is eternal.

I am sorry if I became impatient, but it seems to me that you are just refusing to engage in the implications of an "eternal" action.

The problem with this discussion is not that I don't read the Bible (I do, several times a day) but that you don't read the Catechism, or at least don't read it with comprehension. If you did, you'd see that there's no multiple sacrificing going on. It is one eternal action. One. Eternal. Action.

Who is our One priest? Christ.

Who is the One Lamb that was slain? Christ.

Who, principally, is acting in the Mass? Christ.

To whom are the words and the actions of the Mass addressed? To God the Father in the unity of the Holy Spirit.

Your ability to look-without-seeing is puzzling to me, but I ought not to get impatient because it may be something you can't help at the present. A large set of elaborate preconceptions can get in the way of new learning.

135 posted on 02/25/2018 1:03:23 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts." - Sgt. Joe Friday)
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