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To: ealgeone
You do dig out obscure and oddly misspoken priests.

Yet you seem to avoid the Catechism --- which IS authoritative --- like a wee little diablo avoids Holy Water.

Have you gone to the Catechism links yet?




The Church does not "sacrifice" Jesus. The Mass is a sacrifice because it is the one, once-and-for-all, one-time, not multiple, ipsissimus, self-same sacrifice of Christ offering Himself as a sacrifice for our redemption.

He is the priest who does the sacrificing. The one and only.

He is the Lamb. The one and only.

The Lamb Who was "slain before the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8).

That makes it uniquely timeless.

Yet this was singular, a one-time deal. He did this once. Get it?

It's something that happened once in time, which we also have access to because it existed from timeless eternity, which is ever-present to God's eyes. Before the foundation of the world. That means before Time.

We mortals ponder that.

In the Mass, we have access to it.

119 posted on 02/24/2018 11:45:55 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("As far as the heavens are above the earth, so far are My ways above your ways." (Isaiah 55))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You do dig out obscure and oddly misspoken priests.

Perhaps he understands Roman Catholicism better than you.

John A. O'Brien Papers

Origination : O'Brien, John A. (John Anthony), 1893-1980. Extent : 34 linear feet. 2 audio tapes. 2.5 linear feet of photographs. 32 linear feet of printed material. Repository : University of Notre Dame Archives Address : Notre Dame, Indiana 46556

Research Professor of Theology at Notre Dame and prolific author of books and pamphlets.

Born 20 January 1893 in Peoria, Illinois, John A. O'Brien attended St. Patrick School, the Spalding Institute, Holy Cross College (Worcester, Massachusetts), and St. Viator's College (Bourbonnais, Illinois). Bishop Edmund M. Dunne ordained him as a priest of the Diocese of Peoria and he celebrated his first Mass 18 June 1916. He served as chaplain for the Catholic students at the University of Illinois and earned a Ph.D. in psychology there. He started the Newman Foundation at the University of Illinois. He began his career as an author of Catholic books by organizing symposia (Catholics and Scholarship and The White Harvest) and writing about Evolution and Religion.

In 1938 he published a book about Catholicism called The Faith of Millions which became a best seller (200,000 copies by 1945), was reprinted in 27 editions, and was translated into 10 languages. [IIRC, the book has the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur stamped in the front.

From ewtn..."The Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur are a declaration that a book or pamphlet is considered to be free from doctrinal or moral error. It is not implied that those who have granted the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur agree with the contents, opinions or statements expressed nihil obstat and imprimatur ]

He remained at the University of Illinois for twenty-two years. In 1939 he spent a year at Oxford University and produced a book about communism, Thunder from the Left.

For the rest of his life he taught, and wrote, at the University of Notre Dame. Father O'Brien believed that Catholics ought to work actively to convert others to the Catholic faith; he participated in crusades to that end, organized campaigns in 50 American dioceses, spent his summers preaching in the streets of southern cities, published articles in popular magazines, and wrote pamphlets to promote missionary efforts and explain the doctrines of the Catholic Church. He continued to consider issues involving conflicts of secular and Catholic beliefs -- anti-Catholicism, birth and population control, priestly celibacy, communism, evolution, science, sex education -- and participated in friendly discussions with Protestants, Jews, Masons, and other non-Catholic groups. He wrote 45 books and hundreds of pamphlets and articles. In 1973, the University of Notre Dame awarded him the Laetare Medal. He died 18 April 1980 in South Bend, Indiana.

John O'Brien, Notre Dame Archieves

121 posted on 02/24/2018 4:36:52 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The Church does not "sacrifice" Jesus. The Mass is a sacrifice because it is the one, once-and-for-all, one-time, not multiple, ipsissimus, self-same sacrifice of Christ offering Himself as a sacrifice for our redemption.

Again, a Roman Catholic priest, one who has been ordained by the Roman Catholic church, who has taught at ND, who has had a best selling book published with the approval of the Roman Catholic hierarchy, disagrees with your position.

Once again, from the Faith of Millions....

the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man—not once but a thousand times!

The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.

I understand why Roman Catholics do not like this statement from O'Brien.

122 posted on 02/24/2018 4:47:03 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You do dig out obscure and oddly misspoken priests.

Really? John O'Brien, an "obscure and oddly misspoken" priest?

I read The Faith of Millions back when I was a catechumen. I doubt I would have joined without his comforting words.

Fr. O'Brien believed in total Biblical inerrancy. He believed Moses wrote the Pentateuch. He did not subscribe to any modern historical criticism, unlike less "obscure" and "oddly misspoken" priests. Our official catechetical text was Chr*st Among Us by Anthony Wilhelm, which was horrible. It was almost pure Marxism mixed with Teilhardianism new age nonsense.

Fr. O'Brien's church no longer exists. Only Anthony Wilhem's exists now.

At any rate it's good to know your commitment to evolution and historical criticism are so complete that you are willing to "excommunicate" a priest who doesn't agree with you.

129 posted on 02/25/2018 10:01:25 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vegam Yehudah tillachem biYrushalayim . . . .)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; ealgeone
"Yet you seem to avoid the Catechism --- which IS authoritative --- like a wee little diablo avoids Holy Water"

You need to refrain from inferring that a poster is the devil.

Also stop telling ealgeone to read the catechism over and over again.

He has already told you he has read it.

You need to click on my name at the bottom of this post and familiarize yourself with the Religion Forum guidelines.

174 posted on 02/26/2018 7:50:31 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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