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Where does a pastor get his authority?
Running Away From My Church Blog ^ | 1/7/2018 | Robert Messner

Posted on 01/07/2018 1:17:40 PM PST by tiredofallofit

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To: Sontagged

Good answer.


261 posted on 01/08/2018 9:57:46 AM PST by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain wods View Replies, please but did not tk`t preach it to me.)
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To: ravenwolf

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262 posted on 01/08/2018 9:59:50 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: infool7

For some one so knowlgable you should be able to
read the scriptures and see where your church teaches
the opposite.


263 posted on 01/08/2018 10:06:32 AM PST by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain wods View Replies, please but did not tk`t preach it to me.)
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To: tiredofallofit

I think we would be suprised of all the believers who were converted on that road to damancus or other roads with the same bumps.


264 posted on 01/08/2018 10:15:56 AM PST by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain wods View Replies, please but did not tk`t preach it to me.)
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To: FatherofFive

I have to believe Peter took the lead in building the church as I am not about to even hint that Jesus did not know what
he was talking about.

And by reading acts we can see the proof.

But I believe if the Catholic Church was the real church they
could never deny christs teaching on calling no man on earth
father, plus a few other more minor issues.


265 posted on 01/08/2018 10:27:34 AM PST by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain wods View Replies, please but did not tk`t preach it to me.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

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I agree.


266 posted on 01/08/2018 10:40:32 AM PST by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain wods View Replies, please but did not tk`t preach it to me.)
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To: ravenwolf

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I agree.

Yeah!!!!!


267 posted on 01/08/2018 10:42:39 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Zuriel

Actually Paul said in an other letter that it was three
years before he went to Jerusalem.

So I have to wonder about it.


268 posted on 01/08/2018 10:51:09 AM PST by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain wods View Replies, please but did not tk`t preach it to me.)
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To: ealgeone

Christians understand that both passages are about having
faith in him.

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Very true.


269 posted on 01/08/2018 11:02:44 AM PST by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain wods View Replies, please but did not tk`t preach it to me.)
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To: ravenwolf
Christians understand that both passages are about having faith in him.

No....I think there's a huge fundamental difference between Roman Catholicism and Christianity.

270 posted on 01/08/2018 11:11:56 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Well, now what did I say to make you mad?.


271 posted on 01/08/2018 11:12:06 AM PST by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain wods View Replies, please but did not tk`t preach it to me.)
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To: ealgeone

Suit yourself, I was only agreeing with what you said.

You said. Christians understand that both passages are
About having faith in him.

I said very true.


272 posted on 01/08/2018 11:34:08 AM PST by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain wods View Replies, please but did not tk`t preach it to me.)
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To: BipolarBob; ravenwolf; Elsie; metmom; Zuriel; Iscool; aMorePerfectUnion; TexasFreeper2009

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.
Amen

Thank you all for your efforts to convince me that I am mixed up in my beliefs but thus far they have only served to solidify my confidence in The One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus. I am Catholic and the above is a good summation of what I believe, it has come to me initially through my parents but then reinforced thru all of my 54 years of joy and sorrow. I can appreciate that each of you have experiences that have formed your faith differently. I think we probably have much more in common then what separates us.

Please continue to pray for me as I pray for each of you.

God Bless


273 posted on 01/08/2018 12:42:51 PM PST by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: ealgeone
Ooops, Didn't mean to leave you out ealgeone
274 posted on 01/08/2018 12:45:17 PM PST by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: infool7

But hasn’t Rome add a whole bunch more that Roman Catholics have to believe?


275 posted on 01/08/2018 12:47:13 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: infool7

“thus far they have only served to solidify my confidence in The One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus. ”

Why do you talk endlessly about a worldly church and not at all about the Savior, who alone saves???

Do you have assurance of salvation?
Do you know 100% you are going to heaven?


276 posted on 01/08/2018 12:57:54 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ealgeone
You probably mean these(the links may not work please follow this link to the source page ): I would not consider the precepts as adding as much as "filling in the details".

The Precepts of the Catholic Church are a description of the absolute minimum actions required of Catholics regarding the Church.

The Church uses these precepts remind us that Christian life requires a commitment to prayer and active participation in the liturgy and sacraments. If we fall below this bare-minimum level, we can’t rightly consider ourselves to be in full communion with the Catholic Church.

Each of these precepts of the Catholic Church is a requirement. Together with the Ten Commandments, they represent the minimum level of moral living. Intentional violation of the precepts or the Commandments is a grave matter, meaning a mortal sin.

(If you’re a beginning Catholic, the book you’re using to learn the Catholic faith should list these precepts of the Catholic Church. If not, get a different book! I recommend Alan Schreck’s The Essential Catholic Catechism. It’s an outstanding, very readable primer about Catholic Christianity.)

The Precepts

  1. You shall attend Mass on Sundays and on holy days of obligation and rest from servile labor.
    We must “sanctify the day commemorating the Resurrection of the Lord” (Sunday), as well as the principal feast days, known as Catholic holy days of obligation. This requires attending Mass, “and by resting from those works and activities which could impede such a sanctification of these days.”
  2. You shall confess your sins at least once a year.
    We must prepare for the Eucharist by means of the Sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession). This sacrament “continues Baptism’s work of conversion and forgiveness.”
  3. You shall receive the sacrament of the Eucharist at least during the Easter season.
    This “guarantees as a minimum the reception of the Lord’s Body and Blood in connection with the Paschal feasts, the origin and center of the Christian liturgy.”
  4. You shall observe the days of fasting and abstinence established by the Church.
    “The fourth precept ensures the times of ascesis and penance which prepare us for the liturgical feasts and help us acquire mastery over our instincts and freedom of heart.” See below for more about fasting & abstinence.
  5. You shall help to provide for the needs of the Church.
    “The fifth precept means that the faithful are obliged to assist with the material needs of the Church, each according to his own ability.”

(These quotations are from the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in its section about the Precepts of the Catholic Church (#2041-3).)

Note that these precepts of the Catholic Church are required, unless you have a legitimate reason for not meeting them. For example:

More about fasting & abstinence

One of the precepts of the Catholic Church requires fasting & abstinence as signs of repentance. Repentance means to turn away from sin and turn back to God.

Catholic spirituality traditionally includes in repentance some form of penance. Penance means some practice that lets us express sorrow for our sins and helps repair the damage that sin has caused.

Penance gives us important practice in resisting temptation, thereby strengthening us. It greatly strengthens a number of virtues, especially charity, and it greatly enriches life.

The Catholic Church has two official forms of penitential practices: fasting and abstinence. These are so important that they’re one of the precepts of the Catholic Church.

Fasting is reducing the amount of food you eat below normal levels. Specifically, on fast days you may eat one full meal and two smaller meals, but those two smaller together should not exceed the amount of the normal meal. Snacking is also prohibited on fast days.

All Catholics age 18 to 59 are required to fast on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday. You are excused from fasting if you have a legitimate need to eat a normal amount of food on fast days. This includes:

Abstinence means not eating meat (fish is not considered meat in this case). All Catholics 14 and older are required to observe abstinence on these days:

Note that the duty to perform the tasks of your state in life takes precedence over the law of fasting in the precepts of the Catholic Church. If fasting honestly causes you to be unable to fulfill your required tasks, it is uncharitable to fast — the law of fasting would not apply in this case. (Consult with a priest if this is a concern to you.)

Go beyond the minimum!

Always remember: the precepts of the Catholic Church are minimum levels of participation in the life of the Church. Out of love for Christ and a desire to advance in the spiritual life, you will normally try to do far more than they require.

Many people recommend that Catholics:

This brief article on the precepts of the Catholic Church is just one of a series of articles about Catholic morality. There are also more articles for the beginning Catholic available from our home page.



277 posted on 01/08/2018 12:58:43 PM PST by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: infool7
And add to that all of that all of the dogmas that Rome has proclaimed over the years.

See, it goes way beyond the simple creed you originally posted to be a Roman Catholic.

278 posted on 01/08/2018 1:05:07 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Christ suffered and DIED for our Sins, are these things really too much for you?


279 posted on 01/08/2018 1:09:34 PM PST by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Sorry but it’s like a fire locked up in my bones.


280 posted on 01/08/2018 1:11:06 PM PST by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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