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To: RansomOttawa

Please explain. Are you saying God permits what He hates...or that he decrees what He hates? Nothing is done but by God’s decree per Calvin’s teaching and Reformed theology.

What is the meaning of hate if it is decreed towards God’s creatures UNILATERALLY (Esau have I hated) in a way similar to love (Jacob have I loved)? The God of Calvinism hates some and loves others because He chose to do so within Himself, and not because of any action of His creatures.

Again, please clarify.


26 posted on 12/19/2017 10:31:44 PM PST by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: srweaver
The word *hate* in that passage, does not mean hate as we know it.

It means *esteem less*.

Here, in the Greek

http://biblehub.com/romans/9-13.htm

http://biblehub.com/greek/3404.htm

miseó: to hate

Original Word: μισέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: miseó
Phonetic Spelling: (mis-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I hate, detest
Definition: I hate, detest, love less, esteem less.

HELPS Word-studies

3404 miséō – properly, to detest (on a comparative basis); hence, denounce; to love someone or something less than someone (something) else, i.e. to renounce one choice in favor of another.

Lk 14:26: "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate (3404 /miséō, 'love less' than the Lord) his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple" (NASU).

[Note the comparative meaning of 3404 (miséō) which centers in moral choice, elevating one value over another.]

31 posted on 12/20/2017 4:25:13 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: srweaver
Please explain. Are you saying God permits what He hates...or that he decrees what He hates? Nothing is done but by God’s decree per Calvin’s teaching and Reformed theology.

It's not an either/or. In his own words, Calvin says God wills sin to come to pass for his own purposes. And he also favourably quotes Augustine (Enchiridion 26.100) saying God permits sin (Institutes I.18.3). It's clear enough that Calvin regards God's will as both decretive and permissive.

37 posted on 12/20/2017 9:55:03 AM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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