Protestantism, Modernism, Atheism

Crisis Magazine ^ | November 28, 2017 | Julia Meloni

[metmom]

It was Luther who threw out entire books of the Bible and then edited, what was left of it, to his own liking.

Prove it.

Provide links and sources.

[ealgeone]

ROTFL. It was Luther who threw out entire books of the Bible and then edited, what was left of it, to his own liking.

As has been shown to you before your statement is a falsehood.

This, per Roman Catholicism, constitutes a mortal sin.

Consider ebb....your eternal destination as a Roman Catholic is no longer Heaven until you can get before a priest for forgiveness.

And you claim you believe John 5:24...yet per Roman Catholicism you've lost Heaven due to your mortal sin.

There's a contradiction somewhere.

[metmom]

John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

Jesus says that the person who believes in Him does not come under judgment.

You claim they do anyway.

On what basis do you determine that Jesus was wrong and why should we believe you over Jesus?

[ebb tide]

All my sins were future sins to Jesus when He died for them.

Ah, I see. So go ahead continue to "sin boldly".

How Christian is that?

[ealgeone]

Digging down on that mortal sin I see.

[ebb tide]

Who are you to tell me about mortal sins?

For you apparently don’t even believe in them.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

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[ebb tide]

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(Back atcha)

[Mark17]

Ebb, why are you quoting scripture without a priest to interpret for you? When I was in a false religion, which will remain unnamed, I was always told I needed a priest to interpret for me. Why do you do it? Did the arch pope have a come to Jesus moment, and recind that requirement? Non catholic minds want to know. 😱

[ealgeone]

I'm just applying what Rome says about them to your case.

Kinda disturbing isn't it that per your Catechism you've lost Heaven?

And you claim you believe John 5:24.

So which is it....the Catechism on "mortal sins" or John 5:24?

[metmom]

Ah, I see. So go ahead continue to "sin boldly".

You have weird ideas about what forgiveness is all about if you think it's a license to sin.

[ebb tide]

I’ve already done it numerous times.

I am not your personal search engine.

[boatbums]

The Written Torah and the Oral Torah are inseparable. There is total-dependence between them. The Oral Torah was recorded in formal written texts in the Talmudic and Midrashic writings. It includes the Mishnah, Talmud, works of Torah Law and so on.

So the "Oral" Torah is a man-made commentary on the Written Torah? Did Moses also write that or has it been written by Rabbis through the centuries and updated as time went on? Do you understand why that makes your traditions equal to the word of God? Over centuries these traditions have effectually ended up breaking and nullifying the commands of God. Jesus repeatedly brought that up with the Pharisees of his day - and they couldn't bear hearing it. That was one of the reasons they put him to death.

> You don’t have atonement for sin if there is no blood sacrifice.<<

That is not the Torah Law.

Then you don't know the Torah as well as you claim you do.

A sin offering (Hebrew: קרבן חטאת‎ korban khatta'at, lit: "purification offering"[1]) is a sacrificial offering described and commanded in the Torah (Lev. 4.1-35); it could be fine flour or a proper animal.[2] A sin offering also occurs in 2 Chronicles 29:21 where seven bulls, seven rams, seven lambs and seven he-goats were sacrificed on the command of King Hezekiah for the kingdom, for the sanctuary, and for Judah. Like all types of sacrifices offered on the altar, the flour had to be unscented and the animal had to be completely unblemished. This offered sacrifice accompanied the important required core means of atonement for the committing of an unintentional transgression of a prohibition, that either has brought guilt upon the 'community of Israel' or the individual.[3] This offering is brought during or after atonement for those transgressions that had been committed inadvertently, or in ignorance: intentional transgressions could only be absolved by other forms of atonement, or in severe cases kareth.[4][5] It was distinct from the biblical guilt offering.

Chapters 4.1-5.13 of the Book of Leviticus presents the first of three speeches[10] of God to Moses that outlines laws concerning the "ḥata't" or purification offering.[11] Besides other types of offerings,[12] it appears in the 24th (weekly) parsha Vayikra, a section of the Torah in the Masoretic Text of the Tanakh (Jewish Bible) A sin offering also occurs in 2 Chronicles 29:21 where seven bulls, seven rams, seven lambs and seven he-goats were sacrificed on the command of King Hezekiah for the kingdom, for the sanctuary, and for Judah.

The end of the 37th weekly Torah portion Shlach Lecha (Lev. 15.22-31) again, deals with sacrifices for inadvertent violations: they are applicable for all laws, apply to both Israelites and alien residents, but exclude expiation of defiant, willful violations of ritual law (cf. Kareth). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_offering

[aMorePerfectUnion]

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[ebb tide]

What’s weird is that you guys feel you can freely continue to sin because they have already been forgiven.

Sick

[metmom]

I’m not the one making the claim.

I’m not going to search for something to support YOUR claims.

You don’t provide it, then I don’t believe it, it’s just your opinion.

[boatbums]

Twisted logic.

So the Pharisees and scribes questioned Jesus: “Why do Your disciples not live according to the tradition of the elders? Instead, they eat with defiled hands.” Jesus answered them, “Isaiah prophesied correctly about you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men. (Mark 7:5-7)

[ealgeone]

Playground rules...you know them.

[metmom]

What’s weird is that you guys feel you can freely continue to sin because they have already been forgiven.

Where did I say that?

Where did ANY of us say that?

Can you, or rather will you, provide the links to said comments where any of us have stated that we believe that?

I suspect the answer to that is no as there aren't any and I know you won't be able to find any.

You do realize that making false accusations like that is bearing false witness, which is breaking on of the Ten Commandments.

That does put it in the mortal sin category, you know.

[ealgeone]

You do realize that making false accusations like that is bearing false witness, which is breaking on of the Ten Commandments.

That's two within the span of one hour for ebb. Per the Catechism it only takes one.

Ebb, honestly....does it bother you that per Roman Catholicism, you've lost Heaven until you gain benefit of confession to a priest?