[trebb]

And good parenting can be a blessing - seems like a poor example because Ishmael was born because they didn't have faith that God would do as He promised and that was a big part of the lesson involved.

When God told folks things during the Old Covenant, He expected them to be obedient - look at what Jonah went through because he decided his judgement of whether others were worth trying to save outweighed God's wishes on the matter.

[mdmathis6]

Abraham wasn’t under the mosaic covenant as of his era.