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To: WrightWings; daniel1212

Hang around a few hours and daniel1212 will probably post his research showing how small a percent of the Bible is read or taught in a year of mass attendance.

And that is the claim here. Much of the mass is repeated every time at the expense of exposing Romans to the rest of scripture.


177 posted on 11/17/2017 8:34:07 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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I'll make you a deal -- post the ***ENTIRE*** Catholic Mass showing how "little" the Mass is based on Scripture, and I'll respond, showing otherwise. Deal?

Hang around a few hours and daniel1212 will probably post his research showing how small a percent of the Bible is read or taught in a year of mass attendance. And that is the claim here. Much of the mass is repeated every time at the expense of exposing Romans to the rest of scripture.

Thanks for the ping. Actually the statement you responded to here was not on how much of the Bible is read in the Mass, but on how much of the Mass is based on Scripture, which are two different issues. One may argue that their wedding was wholly based on Scripture, but that does not mean they hear a lot of it.

And that the Mass is based on Scripture is a matter of interpretation, as is the claim that the rituals of Mormonism all are, but which does not make them Biblical. While good things from Scripture are read in the Mass (I speak as a former lector), yet the Mass, being the uniquely priestly Eucharistic sacrifice not manifest in the inspired record of the NT church (and which is the only inspired record of how it understood the gospels), then the Mass as whole is not Biblical.

However, the statement on much of the Mass is based on Scripture was in response to your statement, "Considering how little of the Bible Roman Catholics hear at Mass..." which WrightWings (whom I never recall seeing in the RF in my 12 years here) labeled "Completely false," but which research shows is not, at the least for the typical Catholic.

Summary: It has been established that historically Rome did not overall encourage Bible literacy among the laity as time went on, and can be said to have hindered and even discouraged it. And until recently very little of the Bible was read in Mass. Catholic sources report, “At mid-century study of Bible texts was not an integral part of the primary or secondary school curriculum. At best, the Bible was conveyed through summaries of the texts.” (The Catholic Study Bible, Oxford University Press, 1990, p. RG16) Even by 1951 just 22.4% of the gospels and 16.5% of all the NT was read on Sundays and major feast days, and just 0.39% of the Old Testament (aside from the Psalms) being read at Vigils and major feast days (readings from the Old Testament were not used on Sundays). (http://catholic-resources.org/Lectionary/Statistics.htm)

While that amount has increased since Vatican Two, contrary to some Catholics who claim that they hear most of the entire Bible at Mass, attendees still hear only a small percentage of the whole Bible (at best less than 35% even for daily Mass-going RCs) and most of what is heard is redundant), and thus typical Mass-going Catholics will hardly obtain much of a functional knowledge of Scripture. For the average Catholic does not even go to Mass weekly, which would be needed to get just 12.7% of the Bible during the reading cycle, let alone faithfully attend Mass daily ( few can, and according to a Catholic source, fewer than 1 percent of Catholics attend daily Mass: www.lifezette.com/faithzette/going-daily-mass-changed-life/)), which would be required in order to hear 27.5% of the entire Bible, excluding Psalms, a few verses of which are read during the liturgy (calculation is of 4179 out of 33001 verses for Sunday Masses, and 9067 out of 33001 for Sunday and weekday masses based on stats from the aforementioned lectionary page.). I also found a Catholic poster (Todd Easton: https://forums.catholic.com/t/reading-the-entire-bible-in-3-years-at-mass/37504/9 who calculated that if one faithfully one goes to Sunday and daily mass then these RCs only hear 30% of the entire Catholic bible, and faithful Sunday-only Mass attendees only hear 14% of the same. Of course, liberal Protestants most likely hear even less, and like Catholics, but in contrast to evangelicals overall, they testify to engaging in little personal Bible reading.

From http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Ancients_on_Scripture.html#Supplementary , by the grace of God.

213 posted on 11/17/2017 10:15:37 PM PST by daniel1212 (rust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him)
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