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1 posted on 10/19/2017 7:34:06 PM PDT by ebb tide
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the Wesleyans won’t be far behind. Francis has gone completely off his rocker.

And that is being very charitable.


2 posted on 10/19/2017 7:35:32 PM PDT by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual hemlock)
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John Wesley watches over the University of Southern California from Bovard Tower.
3 posted on 10/19/2017 7:38:46 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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OK, so Francis has heard of Jesus!
4 posted on 10/19/2017 7:40:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama. The Legacy is a lie. The lie is the Legacy.)
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I don’t see as much problem with this as I see praising Luther. It is one thing for someone raised outside of the Church to advance things apart from formal communion with the Church, it is another thing to take a section of the truth from the whole and run with it.

John’s brother Charles wrote some good stuff. Perhaps Pope Francis might incorporate it into the Liturgy some time. Verses 2 and 3 in particular drive home truths that I’m glad to see the Pope implicitly endorse, as they are too often soft-peddled.

1 Lo! He comes, with clouds descending,
once for our salvation slain;
thousand thousand saints attending
swell the triumph of His train.
Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!
God appears on earth to reign.

2 Ev’ry eye shall now behold Him,
robed in dreadful majesty;
those who set at naught and sold Him,
pierced, and nailed Him to the tree,
deeply wailing, deeply wailing,
shall the true Messiah see.

3 Every island, sea, and mountain,
heav’n and earth, shall flee away;
all who hate Him must, confounded,
hear the trump proclaim the day:
Come to judgment! Come to judgment!
Come to judgment, come away!

4 Now redemption, long expected,
see in solemn pomp appear!
And His saints, by men rejected,
coming with Him in the air.
Alleluia! Alleluia! Alleluia!
See the day of God appear!

5 Yea, amen! Let all adore Thee,
high on Thine eternal throne;
Savior, take the pow’r and glory,
claim the kingdom for Thine own:
O come quickly, O come quickly,
Alleluia! Come, Lord, come!


6 posted on 10/19/2017 7:45:22 PM PDT by Hieronymus (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton)
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Wesley was one who held the Papacy “ the antichrist”. Of course so didn’t Luther and that hasn’t stopped this demonic antipope.

I know of four sedevacantist traditionalist Dominicans who took last two weeks before last weekend travelling to see Holy Sites in Europe. They said there were not a few in and around these Shrines etc who freely said this monster an antipope. These prompted only by seeing real Catholic garb and the disposition of the four, perhaps that they didn’t accept Novus Ordo. Another thing heard often enough is that Frankenstein’s a satanist. Again, from what little I’ve heard from one of the four travelers, these things basically unsolicited and said in broad daylight in the shadow of great Catholic churches.

The Wesley Methodist joint near here has a real big rainbow sign out front with “Equal Before God”.

They seem to be vying with Unitarians and Episcopalians for most liberal.


15 posted on 10/19/2017 8:24:43 PM PDT by BonRad (The world is full of educated derelicts-Calvin Coolidge)
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No surprise. John Wesley was Arminian and in Protestantism Arminianism is closer to Roman Catholicism than either Lutheranism or Calvinism.

Nonetheless, John Wesley wrote this about the papacy:

“Romish Papacy, he is, in an emphatical sense, the man of sin.” (John Wesley, Antichrist and His Ten Kingdoms, p. 110.)


19 posted on 10/19/2017 8:31:47 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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It would be nice if the Methodists followed Wesley; I might still be one of them.


21 posted on 10/19/2017 8:52:14 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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"Speaking about John Wesley, the 18th-century Anglican clergyman who founded the Methodist movement"

Actually it was George Whitefield who started the Methodist movement. It was the organizer Wesley who organized and started the Methodist church. Whitefield was primarily an traveling open air evangelist who traveled to America and launched the Great Awakening. Both were great servants of God and it was a shame that they had a falling out for a period over the issue of Reformed vs. Armenian theology. They did finally reconcile.

25 posted on 10/20/2017 7:18:36 AM PDT by circlecity
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