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To: Mrs. Don-o
The problem with your post is we have no examples on the NT where Paul, Peter, James, John, etc ever pray to anyone in Heaven other than God.

We do have a plethora of admonitions to pray to God...to make our requests known to Him...to rely upon Him.

When Jesus taught the disciples to pray Matthew recorded this.

7“And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. 8“So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9“Pray, then, in this way: ‘Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. 10Your name kingdom come. Your name will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. 11‘Give us this day our daily bread. 12‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’] 14“For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15“But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

Compare this to the Hail Mary where the emphasis is on Mary.

When combined as part of the Rosary we see the meaningless repetition Matthew recorded Jesus warning against.

The overwhelming emphasis in the Hail Mary and Rosary is on Mary....not God.

32 posted on 10/17/2017 4:51:16 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

The problem with your post is your assumption that anything not mentioned in Scripture is not permissible. We’ve been over this before. This premise is wrong, because the NT records only vignettes of the *beginning* of the Church as led by the Holy Spirit, and not the *whole* of it.

You also assume that the teaching of the Apostles consists solely of 27 books of text, firmly excluding their oral teaching and their practice, their example. This stance I, paradoxically, unBiblical, since the NT authors repeatedly tell us to cling to the Tradition, that which is handed down by the Apostles both in writing and by preaching and practice, which is the example are to follow.

This is why so much Apostolic teaching is unknown go you.

It is significant, too, that you assume that most of the early Church was wrong about most things. It’s as if Christ’s promises were null.

We may not get past that. Sad.

Pray for me please-— family situation.

Peace.


106 posted on 10/18/2017 4:45:40 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God is not the Author of Confusion, but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints --1 Cor 14:33)
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