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To: Luircin; firebrand; aMorePerfectUnion; Mrs. Don-o
What I get from them is that a miracle happens on the altar and the bread and wine is transformed into Jesus’ flesh and blood, but it’s flesh that tastes like bread and blood that tastes like wine?

Yes, its a miracle like no other, since there unlike healings or changing water into wine, there is no manifest change, as unlike the Biblical incarnated Christ, "which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life," (1 John 1:1) who was manifestly incarnated, and behaved, looked, felt, and would taste and scientifically test as real flesh and blood;

the Eucharistic christ is manifest as inanimate objects, which behave, look, feel, and taste and would scientifically test as mere bread and wine, but which are said to no longer exist, but Christ does instead (in either and both species, while His body in its spatial existence in Heaven remains), even to subatomic particles (some of which would become airborne...).

Until as said, the non-existent bread and wine begin to show decay (as in mold), at which point Christ is no longer present, even though the manifest decay is not real.

See here for substantiation, by God's grace

And at the same time, Jesus in heaven is re-crucified. Again and again and again every time they say these words.

No, that is not what is theologically said to occur, even though the Eucharist is "the very body which he gave up for us on the cross, the very blood which he "poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins,"(CCC 1365) with His human body and human soul, with His bodily organs and limbs and with His human mind, will and feelings (John A. Hardon, S.J., Part I: Eucharistic Doctrine on the Real Presence);

As often as the sacrifice of the Cross by which 'Christ our Pasch has been sacrificed' is celebrated on the altar, the work of our redemption is carried out.”(CCC 1414; 1364) “...that same Christ is contained and immolated in an unbloody manner, who once offered Himself in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross;...For the victim is one and the same, the same now offering by the ministry of priests, who then offered Himself on the cross, the manner alone of offering being different.” (Council of Trent, The Twenty-Second Session)

For it is imagined that the priest “offers up again the same sacrifice of adoration and atonement which Christ offered on Calvary.” (John A. O'Brien, Ph.D., LL.D., The Faith of Millions, p. 256; Nihtt obstat, Imprimatur)

However, "crucified anew" does not mean again "in the historical sense:" "Christ was offered once, and is offered daily, but in one manner then, in another now." (Peter Lombard, Sentences, Lib. IV, Dist. 12)

And for some reason, only the priest is allowed to drink the blood/wine/whatever.

No, that is no longer true. In Vatican Two Catholicism the laity can consume both species, even though the smallest particle would give them the whole body and blood of Christ. Yes, that is what imagines occurred at the Last Supper.

I mean, even if you take ‘this is my body’ 100% literally, doesn’t this Catholic thing go a little bit beyond what the Bible says?

Actually as explained if you take ‘this is my body which is broken for you’ 100% literally, then it would be taking is less that 100% literal, since the only body of Christ that would be broken and His life-blood poured out (cf. Is. 53:10,12) was the manifestly incarnated body, not some `versus a Gnostic or Docetist Christ which was not what he appeared to be. to be.

But only the metaphorical understanding conforms to Scripture.

129 posted on 09/18/2017 8:10:36 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him)
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To: daniel1212; Luircin; firebrand; aMorePerfectUnion
Daniel, correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be making the assumption that there are only two possible senses of a saying of the Lord: metaphorical or literal; so that His sayings must logically be one or the other.

There is a third sense, though, and that is sacramental. That is not somewhere between metaphorical or literal, so to speak, but somewhere beyond them: more meaningful than what is merely metaphorical, more real than what is merely literal. This is why Our Lord calls His Body "real food" and His Blood "real drink."

"Real" (or some translations say "true") is in contrast to what? In contrast to both metaphorical and literal.

This euchastisric Body and Blood of His are so real, they are real on every Catholic altar and in every Catholic tabernacle in the world, and in the very body--- yes, body to Body --- of His servants who receive Him.

Body to Body. Soul to Soul. Heart to Heart.

Priceless Gift. Beyond what we can comprehend.

Think of that.

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176 posted on 09/19/2017 7:27:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. - Gal 6:9)
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