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Is the Rapture a Christian Guarantee?
YouTube ^ | Sept. 10, 2011 | Scottie Clarke

Posted on 09/09/2017 12:55:55 AM PDT by EliRoom8

Video only making a case for a partial rapture.

Key point made about ten minutes in. Scottie Clarke is credited for identifying the Rev 12 sign on tellurium and has made some excellent videos on the Yom Temurah anomaly in the Virgo constellation.

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Those Christians who view the Rapture as an escape for believer/ losers/fanatics may have their wishes granted. They will be able to p"prove their metal" by going through the Tribulation.(gnashing of teeth, etc.)
1 posted on 09/09/2017 12:55:55 AM PDT by EliRoom8
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To: EliRoom8

“stellarium”


2 posted on 09/09/2017 12:56:44 AM PDT by EliRoom8 (Dump Corker!)
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I've never believed in "guaranteed salvation". That presumes that once you've said "Jesus is my lord", you can do whatever you want without consequence.

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

It is not hard to stand firm to the end, by the way. Just don't be fooled by what the world says. When you listen to the world, you have your ear to the devil.
3 posted on 09/09/2017 1:21:27 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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OK, but Clarke is saying (and I agree) that if you are not longing for the Lord’s return & caught up in worldly pursuits, you might be saved but not taken at the Rapture and not made part of the Bride of the Lamb (as per the ten virgin parable).


4 posted on 09/09/2017 2:59:41 AM PDT by EliRoom8 (Dump Corker!)
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The five virgins without oil, were without the Holy Spirit dwelling in them - in other words not saved.


5 posted on 09/09/2017 3:42:23 AM PDT by sueQ
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So, some folks will be saved but "not saved enough" for the Rapture to take them....so many theories out there that we might as well all just concede that Jesus wasted His Blood and none of us (except for those who compile the theories) will be saved.

I believe Jesus shed His blood for me and all my sins - past/present/future because He understands that the stiff-necked folks who insisted on the Commandments had served to prove that none of us could ever be worthy in and of ourselves. And when God told us that there would be a time of a New Covenant where a man's sins would not be visited upon his children, men would have knowledge of His existence written in their minds and hearts, and that He would forgive their wickedness and recognize their sins no more, He was speaking the Truth and He followed up by sending Jesus to pay our death penalties that we might be made worthy by His actions.

6 posted on 09/09/2017 3:58:16 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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The truly amazing part... The people who refuse to look at the Scott Clarke videos. In my experience, the vast majority.


7 posted on 09/09/2017 4:08:07 AM PDT by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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Sue,
All had lamps and oil. All were believers. Some anticipated the arrival of the groom and entered in, the others did not and were shut out of the marriage.


8 posted on 09/09/2017 4:19:13 AM PDT by EliRoom8 (Dump Corker!)
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>>>So, some folks will be saved but “not saved enough” for the Rapture to take them.<<<

Exactly.
Luke 21:36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen.

Hence, some (believers) will not be on the watch and will not escape (the Tribulation).


9 posted on 09/09/2017 4:22:41 AM PDT by EliRoom8 (Dump Corker!)
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>>The truly amazing part... The people who refuse to look at the Scott Clarke videos. In my experience, the vast majority.<<

The revulsion to end-times teaching is astounding. I expect it from unbelievers, but the Body of Christ has joined the mockers and scorners in a major way.


10 posted on 09/09/2017 4:25:21 AM PDT by EliRoom8 (Dump Corker!)
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Matt. 25:1-4 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were prudent. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps.
11 posted on 09/09/2017 4:25:49 AM PDT by sueQ
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But those foolish five had oil at the outset: ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps have gone out.’


12 posted on 09/09/2017 4:33:11 AM PDT by EliRoom8 (Dump Corker!)
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You are either “in Christ”, saved, or not in Christ, lost. You are either in the Light, saved, or you remain in darkness, lost. You are either ALIVE to Him, saved, or dead in your sins, lost.


13 posted on 09/09/2017 4:38:56 AM PDT by sueQ
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>>You are either “in Christ”, saved, or not in Christ, lost. You are either in the Light, saved, or you remain in darkness, lost. You are either ALIVE to Him, saved, or dead in your sins, lost.<<

No one disputes that. What is disputed is that the entire Body of Christ will be raptured. The five foolish virgins failed to maintain vigilance in their expectation of the Groom.

Matthew 24:
Suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of . . . He (LJC) will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (either the Tribulation or Hell).


14 posted on 09/09/2017 4:58:25 AM PDT by EliRoom8 (Dump Corker!)
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First of all, if you are "in Christ", He no longer calls you a "servant" or "slave" but a friend. "No longer do I call you slaves (servants), for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you." (John 15:15)
15 posted on 09/09/2017 5:17:15 AM PDT by sueQ
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I've never believed in "guaranteed salvation"

There is a belief system that subscribes to that notion called "the Nicolaitans".

Born again Christians know that accepting Jesus as their savior is the first step, not the destination. It can become quite involved but the journey begins with faith and never ends.

A little faith will bring your soul to heaven; a lot of faith will bring heaven to your soul.

16 posted on 09/09/2017 5:18:16 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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The great problem is this: most Christians do not know the difference between the gift of salvation which is totally by grace and REWARDS given to those who are faithful. Both are clearly taught in scripture.

We are clearly rewarded for faithfulness - rewards are for works done BY THE LORD IN AND THROUGH US - NOT WORKS WE DO “FOR HIM” - there is a huge difference there as well.

It just may be that being caught up with the Lord (non-scriptural word “rapture” - word is parousia - “nearness” or “appearing”) is a REWARD for those who are faithful, and those who are still walking in the flesh, not longing to see the Lord, DO go through the tribulation - where they are “ripened” in their faith and get serious about their relationship with the Lord.

We cannot be clear if a partial rapture is certain - but it may be a possibility.

That is why we always need to “watch & pray”, live like He is coming today, and long for His coming.......


17 posted on 09/09/2017 5:20:51 AM PDT by Arlis
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It’s a parable. All believers are not women either.


18 posted on 09/09/2017 5:21:03 AM PDT by EliRoom8 (Dump Corker!)
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Also see Post 17


19 posted on 09/09/2017 5:22:27 AM PDT by EliRoom8 (Dump Corker!)
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Yes - and “virgins” always refers to believers - never to unbelievers....


20 posted on 09/09/2017 5:25:22 AM PDT by Arlis
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