Posted on 08/02/2017 2:07:44 PM PDT by detective
No orthodox Catholics pray to deceased relatives. They pray to God to lessen their their deceased loved ones time in Purgatory.
Your deliberate mistatements about true Catholic teaching are disengious. Not unexpected, however.
16Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. 17Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months. 18Then he prayed again, and the sky poured rain and the earth produced its fruit. James 5:16-18 NASB, for context.
And those prayer requests are always between people here on earth.
We have no examples of praying to anyone in Heaven, other than God, in the OT or NT.
Please pray for me.
Glad to do so.
I believe something along those lines has already been done.
Pope Pius XII accorded her the title "Queen of Mexico and Empress of the Americas" in 1945, and "Patroness of the Americas" in 1946.
Pope John XXIII invoked her as "Mother of the Americas" in 1961, referring to her as Mother and Teacher of the Faith of All American populations.
However, none of this is Scripturally sound. The Roman Catholic worship of Mary seems to know no ends.
“What if a million people in the world pray to Mary at the same time?”
When the saints judge the fallen angels what if they have to judge a million angels at one time? What of it? Anything Mary can do she can do because of God. Is God stronger than a million people? If yes - and clearly it is yes - then why would that number pose a problem for His servants in Heaven if it is God’s will?
“Can she hear all of the at once?”
Yes - through the power of God. What’s impossible through the power of God?
“Are you saying she is omniscient or omnipresent like God?”
No, but she knows everything she needs to know to fulfill her role - again through the power of God. Jesus didn’t know everything in His earthly mission (Mark 13:32) and He is God! So if Jesus didn’t know everything - and He’s God - why would you assume Mary has to be omniscient or omnipresent to serve God?
She's not dead, that's why. I guess you believe the soul dies after death.
It should be done specifically for Venezuela.
I KNEW you'd be on this thread. Can't stay away from Mary!
The Blessed Mother has no grave.
Your deliberate mistatements about true Catholic teaching are disengious. Not unexpected, however.
I asked a question....I didn't make a statement.
One of your fellow Roman Catholics seems to suggest that happens.
But as you raise the point...what's the difference in the Roman Catholic world of praying to Mary or any other saint or a departed loved one?
I know ya'll pray for the dead but at that point it's too late. Their eternal destiny has already been determined. It's either Heaven or Hell.
There is no purgatory where you go to get cleaned up.
24For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. 26Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 2
8so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
Hebrews 9:24-28 NASB
Yep...so much false teaching that continually needs to be corrected.
That doesn’t mean she can’t hear me. We will judge fallen angels (1 Corinthians 6:3) - not on our own merits but on those of Christ. And through those same merits the saints can hear and intercede for us.
I provide the text you cite for context.
Paul is speaking of a future event in this passage regarding saints judging the world and/or angels.
1Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints? 2Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life? 4So if you have law courts dealing with matters of this life, do you appoint them as judges who are of no account in the church? 5I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not among you one wise man who will be able to decide between his brethren, 6but brother goes to law with brother, and that before unbelievers? 1 Corinthians 6:3 NASB
Yes...it does mean Mary cannot hear us anymore than our departed loved ones can.
On His own merits, yes, but through His merits all of us can intercede for one another. https://www.openbible.info/topics/praying_for_each_other
And all of those examples are people on earth praying for people on earth or were prayers directed to God on behalf of someone.
There are admonitions in the NT to pray to anyone other than God.
Do you believe the dead hear you and have some kind of magical power to grant your wish?
If so, why not pray to a dead relative who knew you and cared for you, instead of a dead person who died thousands of years before you and never knew you?
I’m absolutely NOT going to post on this thread, but just had to send you LOL!!!!!
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Meant “comment”.
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The Blessed Mother has no grave.
Which Roman Catholicism cannot with 100% certainty say. She may have died in Jerusalem or Ephesus or somewhere else.
We just don't know.
But see, I’m alive and your alive. I received your request.
The dead on the other hand, they can’t check FreeRepublic or pick up the phone.
And dead or alive, no human can read your mind.
For your own sake, you sure better hope there's a Purgatory.
It shows a complete lack of faith in Christ on the part of the Roman Catholic.
I believe God has enabled them to hear me and that they can intercede for me before God for what I'm asking for. They themselvews cannot "grant wishes."
If so, why not pray to a dead relative who knew you and cared for you, instead of a dead person who died thousands of years before you and never knew you?
I do. It depends on the request. Sometimes you want to pray to someone who you knew was a great saint on earth who is somehow related to the issue, like maybe St. Ignatius of Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits, for a wayward Jesuit priest.
Nope. I'm taking Christ at His word about my eternity.
13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:13-14 NASB
24“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. John 5:24 NASB
Do you believe His promise?
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