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To: MHGinTN
You strain at 'This is my body', ignoring what JESUS told these same seekers after signs just a few verses earlier.

If you are referring to John 6, then our Lord's response was that he would give them the true bread from heaven which is his flesh which they must eat. When the Jews quarreled among themselves, saying "How can they man give us his flesh to eat?", he emphasized the reality of this:

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him." (John 6:53-56)
It really cannot get more blunt than this. Those of his disciples who could not accept this returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. Will you too reject what our Lord said and no longer accompany him?

You completely ignore or twist to destruction the very first council of Ekklesia Fathers when you insist you ingest the blood of Christ at your blasphemous Mass.

The decision of the Council of Jerusalem concerned the blood from pagan sacrifices. Our Lord said what he did in John 6 and at the Last Supper. We take him at his word. Will not you?

In John 6 JESUS tells you that the work of God is to believe on Him Whom God sent.

To believe in him is to believe all that he taught us, not just that he died for us. He taught us that we must keep love God and our neighbors, and that we must keep the commandments. There was no exception in this just because someone has faith.

And finally you spittle out a seeming contracdiction to the Gospel of Grace, asserting we must be keepers of the Law of Moses to eventually obtain salvation!

Do you even bother to read what I have written. I have argued for just the opposite, that works that Paul contrasted to faith were those of the Law of Moses. I have mentioned that the whole point of Romans was to proclaim that this was no longer binding. This being opposed to the Protestant idea that in Romans he was arguing against any works.

907 posted on 07/22/2017 5:06:02 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
>>In John 6 JESUS tells you that the work of God is to believe on Him Whom God sent.<<

To believe in him is to believe all that he taught us, not just that he died for us. He taught us that we must keep love God and our neighbors, and that we must keep the commandments. There was no exception in this just because someone has faith.

I agree we are to love God and our neighbors and obey His commandments.

No one is saying you just wake up one day and say I believe and bear no fruit. That is not a NT position.

However, we know we cannot keep all of the commandments...and this would be the entire Law...not just the 10 Commandments.

This is why God made a provision for us through the sacrifice of His Son on the Cross. He is the one time sacrifice for our sins...all of them.

910 posted on 07/22/2017 5:30:26 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Petrosius
"It really cannot get more blunt than this." ... You still ignore what Jesus told these same unbelievers --and that is the key to the impossibility of seeing eternal life, because it would violate the command of GOD against drinking the blood-- just a few verses earlier! Twisters are like that: John 6:28 Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the works of God?” 29 Jesus replied, “This is the work of God: to believe in the One He has sent.”

Do you see anything in that declaration regarding eating Jesus's flesh or drinking His blood? Why do you suppose Jesus did not put the later saying there, when answering a direct question? ... Read the text following and see what these unbelievers shot back demanding from Him. THAT is a huge hint your religion ignores and instead swallows the contradiction so it can empower your works based religion!

But I was referring to what Jesus said to His disciples when He broke the bread and passed the cup of WINE the night before He sacrificed His body and blood for your redemption. You might want to read what He said just after that remembrance was instituted, regarding going to prepare a place for us bringing us to the Father's House. But of course you have been taught to reject the notion of Rapture of the Body of Christ and believe Jesus was not saying what He was saying, about an event your religion cannot fathom.

BTW way, Catholic, these were not disciples, they were seekers after signs and wonders rather than eternal life, Spiritual birth. They followed Him around to watch the show. He sent them on their way by giving them a conundrum. Do you know why they coulod not accept His saying to them? ... Because even these lost souls seeking after signs knew that GOD commanded to not srink the blood or eat human flesh. Apparently, the one who turned away were smarter than the average lost Catholic. And yet they chose to be lost, because had they stuck around a minute or two more, JESUS told His Disciples that the flesh profiteth nothing, that the Words were spirit and life. Your religion rejects that Truth by twisting it to mean something it does not say.

You asserted, "Our Lord said what he did in John 6 and at the Last Supper." And again you chose to take what JESUS taught as a REMEMBRANCE in such literal speak that the behavior defies the Command of GOD against drinking the actual blood. You make (or actually the author of Catholiciism, satan the twister) GOD out to be duplicitous! Shame on you! JESUS identified the contents of the cup as fruit of the vine to be used in the REMEMBRANCE ceremony until HE returns for them. He even said HE would not drink of that fruit of the vine until He would do so with them in the KINGDOM.

Taking scripture out of the context of the passages is the only way a Christianity look-alike (like Mormonism too) can dupe the people. But many do not remain duped by false religion. Some at FR? Not so much.

You spittle as if you comprehend but you in fact are clueless. You offered, "and that we must keep the commandments." No, poor soul, Jesus said keep HIS commandments. Do you know the two which Jesus issued before ascending? We cannot keep the Law of Moses, YET. But we can Love The Lord our God and our neighbor like we love our own selves! If you could keep the Law of Moses the cross would be an aside. I am absolutely certain you do not keep all the Law of Moses. CERTAIN!

And finally, with your last paragraph you contradict your own assertion in just two paragraphs earlier! Magic Thinking allows a duplicitous rendering, but it is clearly confusion that is spread.

John to John 3 and read the whole chapter. Put yourself in the place of Nicodemus, and listen to Jesus as if He is speaking directly to you. May the Lord have mercy upon us all!

913 posted on 07/22/2017 5:51:49 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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