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To: Petrosius
Everyone sins but not everyone persists in sin. Sin is an act of the will. When we sin we turn our will away from God. This we all do from time to time. Afterwards, however, some repent and turn back to God. Others, however, never repent and continue to direct their will away from God. These are the ones that Paul said will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Now you've just made it works based salvation.

Someone is saved as long as they toe the line.

That is NOT salvation by grace through faith.

We don't work to get saved and we don't work to stay saved.

Not all sin is willful sin. There are unintentional sins as well.

But regardless, choosing to sin is not by default choosing to give you your salvation.

Even turning out back on God does not remove us from His family. The Prodigal Son was still the son and welcomed home as a son, even though he didn't have any inheritance cause he blew it. The father never disowned him.

472 posted on 07/19/2017 7:58:12 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom; Petrosius

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>> “Now you’ve just made it works based salvation.” <<

Nonsense!

He explained our Obedience based salvation.

The word does not offer “salvation by grace through faith.”

It offers salvation by faith, which is the gift of Yehova’s grace.

Grace brings opportunity, but it cannot bring salvation without continuing faith.
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475 posted on 07/19/2017 8:05:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: metmom
Now you've just made it works based salvation.

Submission of the will to God is no more "works based" than the submission of the intellect in an act of faith.

Someone is saved as long as they toe the line.

Someone is saved as long as they have faith and love God.

That is NOT salvation by grace through faith.

It is not salvation by grace through faith alone but by grace through faith and works, i.e. through faith and love.

We don't work to get saved and we don't work to stay saved.

We get saved through faith and love. Good works are merely acts of love. But just as faith does not earn us our salvation, neither do the good works which is love in action.

In the parable of the Prodigal Son, the love of the father was always there but the son had to get up and return to the father to benefit from it. In this act of his he did not earn his father's love but only received it. We too in our actions must return to the Father. In doing so we are not earning His love, we are just receiving it.

555 posted on 07/20/2017 7:32:03 AM PDT by Petrosius
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