Posted on 07/17/2017 8:08:32 AM PDT by ebb tide
“Francis is more interested in leftwing politics than in Catholic theology”, George Neumayr, contributing editor of The American Spectator, states talking to Tom Woods on July 14th on tomwoods.com. Woods describes Francis as a result of John Paul II who - as he puts it - appointed "absolutely terrible people" as bishops: "Catholics have suffered under Bergoglios for decades now”.
Neumayr agrees that a lot of the liberal bishops were appointed by John Paul II and Benedict XVI. He sees Francis as the “culmination of a century” of liberalism and modernism in the Church.
For him it is "highly unlikely" that Francis, who in his theology is “more a Protestant than a Catholic” will convert to Catholicism. Instead, the realistic scenario is that Francis will produce division and chaos, "Catholics will have to decide whether they guard the faith over papolatry.”
And: “The Cardinals have to declare that Francis is a bad pope who must be resisted.”
If someone who is baptized goes to hell over sin, then they were never saved in the first place.
The very nature of salvation is being saved from the penalty of sin, going to hell.
If someone still has to pay the penalty for sin,t hey are not saved.
If they are saved, the penalty has been paid for them and they will NOT ever go to hell for their sin.
Saved people cannot go to hell because hell is exactly what they are saved from.
No such thing as a saved person in hell.
If a person is in hell, they haven’t been saved from anything.
No one disagrees with the fact that all grace comes from and through Christ. The scapular is simply an aid, like a timer, perhaps. Christ sees that we are physical beings and that physical aids help us. One does not *have* to wear a scapular.
I do not understand what you mean about performing to receive grace. God never **owes** us grace, but, for example, focusing our minds on Christ by praying will increase our ability to *receive* grace.
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No one disagrees with the fact that all grace comes from and through Christ. The scapular is simply an aid, like a timer, perhaps. Christ sees that we are physical beings and that physical aids help us. One does not *have* to wear a scapular.
I do not understand what you mean about performing to receive grace. God never **owes** us grace, but, for example, focusing our minds on Christ by praying will increase our ability to *receive* grace.
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God makes salvation simple.
John 1:10-13 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Romans 10:9-13 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
We ALL commit *mortal* sins.
Because God considers the thought to be equivalent to doing the sin, just like Jesus taught that lust = adultery, and John said that hatred = murder.
I don't believe for a minute that any human being is capable of having that kind of self-control over their thought life that they NEVER sin in that area.
Of course it is. Without the shedding of His blood, we would all be lost, and there would be no remission of sins in Confession, in fact, no Confession! However, do you think that Christ died on the cross and shed His blood for us that we could just go and sin without consequences, or with all the consequences falling on Him?
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Church is not an aid to anyone's salvation.
Christ is perfectly capable of saving to the uttermost those who come to Him.
He doesn't need anybody's help to save someone.
Hebrews 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
The Catholic God is a very stingy god who doles out little packets of grace based on the performance of His subjects.
Fortunately the God of Scripture, who calls ALL men to Himself, LAVISHES His grace out on us freely and without restriction through Jesus Christ, who dwells in the lives of His children.
Ephesians 1:3-10 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
Romans 5:1-2 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
John 1:14-17 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”) For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
And Protestantism can ignore all the Biblical passages that refute their spurious claims. I have already posted these and will not repeat. While claiming “Scripture alone” they have reduced it to “only Scripture that supports ‘faith alone’.” The rest they either ignore or twist to empty it of its plain meaning.
It’s not the believers soul which is being tested by fire, it’s his WORKS.
The soul is already saved. The works are being tested to see if they qualify for rewards in heaven.
and what you claim is the only true Gospel
any other belief is heresy.
All the cults in the world teach works to be saved..
the one and only true Gospel teaches that we are saved by faith not of ourselves and any of our good works are the result of being saved.
and that Jesus Christ paid for all of our sins alone, with out any of our help.
If we could save ourselves by any good work or add to our salvation by helping in any way we would not need a Savior.
and you wonder why so many priests were pedophiles they were never saved in the first place.
and they were hidden and moved around to other places to only do the same thing all over again.
so very sad, so very tragic, so very lost in their own self righteousness.
You need to read boatbums post about Romam Catholic writings regarding faith alone. It destroys one of Romam Catholicism’s arguments against Luther.
“While claiming “Scripture alone” they have reduced it to “only Scripture that supports ‘faith alone’.””
It appears every objection you tried to bring forward has been explained clearly.
Perhaps the issue is that you MUST have your preferred take because to admit otherwise would mean you Religion is wrong...
God apparently didn't have any problem with it as there is NOWHERE to be found in any Scripture the command to all come together under one head and follow that man.
Speaking of which, Roman Catholicism is all under one head, the pope, who is currently Pope Francis.
How's that being under one head working out for y'all? Cause I don't see that it's preferable to individual congregations in any way.
Matter of fact, the advantage of smaller groups is that if the leader goes off the rails, there are fewer people who are going to affected by that.
BTW, the church is the body of Christ.
One body, many parts. How is that *disorganized*?
1 Corinthians 12:1-31
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be uninformed. You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.
Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
For the body does not consist of one member but of many. If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell? But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. If all were a single member, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, yet one body.
The eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” On the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and on those parts of the body that we think less honorable we bestow the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty, which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving greater honor to the part that lacked it, that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.
Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? But earnestly desire the higher gifts.
performing = doing something.
Anything.
If we have to do anything to receive grace, focus our minds, take communion, say something, do something, whatever, then what we are receiving for our actions, our works, is wages due, NOT grace.
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