Remarried Couples Should Abstain from Sex, Philadelphia Catholic Church Says

The Guardian (UK) ^ | 7/6/17 | Stephanie Kirchgaessner

[Malcolm Reynolds]

What’s an unlawful sexual union? Does porneia include incest? Seems like it would and that was necessary, at one point when Adam and Eve’s offspring had no other options.

[DesertRhino]

“When people seek an annulment and it is not granted, the reason is that no invalidating fact was discovered.”

No, it actually means they aren’t a politician or are not wealthy enough to pay for it.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Yes, incest would be an unlawful union, and in the Catholic Church would lead to a finding of nullity (annulment).

I will refrain from any judgment concerning Adam and Eve’s children. This would seem to be a one-off exceptional situation where every single human bring on earth is literally your 1st or 2nd degree blood relative.

[righttackle44]

‘Ey! Baccacallou” They no playa the game, they no make-a the rules.

[Songcraft]

Likewise, while the Ten Commandments had not yet been revealed by Moses, children still obeyed and honored their mother and father, as later explicitly commanded in the Ten commandments (example - Isaac & Abraham).   But Adam and Eve would have been the only two people in the Old Testament who would not have been able to honor their human father and mother, as they didn't have any.

[omegatoo]

Your statement is exactly the kind of misinformation which discourages people from beginning the process of annulment.

My archdiocese only charged $500, and made it clear from the beginning that the fee would be waived if I could not afford to pay. Most other archdioceses do the same. Many, including mine, have now gone to strictly voluntary donations to support the costs of the tribunal.

Do you have experience otherwise?

And no, I am not a politician.

Love,
O2

[octex]

Seems REAL Catholics should do whatever is necessary to rid the Vatican of Pope Benny and those who back his loony Jesuit ideas.

The guy and his supporters are all nut cases bent on destroying the traditional Catholic religion.

[LadyDoc]

Your remark is the same complaint the apostles made to Jesus.

[octex]

I guess this would not apply to drug fueled gay sex parties for church officials or am I missing something?
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Yep! Many articles about that in re various big wheels in Vatican City recently. I despise this phony Pope.

[octex]

If it weren’t for sex there’d be no second marriages ever.
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BINGO!

[octex]

When people seek an annulment and it is not granted, the reason is that no invalidating fact was discovered.
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What, according to your beliefs or the Catholic doctrine, would be required to validate a marriage annulment?

[AlaskaErik]

Might want to tell that to all your priests that are buggering each other and little boys.

[Mrs. Don-o]

It should be noted that these moral laws are non-discriminatory anyway: they apply equally to invalid marriages whether gay and straight.

Two gay men in an invalid marriage need to either separate, or live as brother-and-brother.

Or would you have it otherwise?

[Mrs. Don-o]

If they divorced for good reasons as you say —
suppose the first marriages were defective from the git-go -— the first marriages were possibly null. They should look into that. In this case the first “marriages” are annuled and the second marriage (which *is* their first and only marriage, in the Biblically binding sense) could be blessed.

But if either of them still has a living spouse from a valid first marriage, adultery with a second partner is not allowed. Not just not allowed by the Church. Not allowed by Christ.

Any sin can be forgiven. Redemption by Jesus Christ calls for repentance from sin. Repentance requires not continuing in sin, but turning away from it.

Isn’t that what repentance means?

[Mrs. Don-o]

“Multiply” without having sex? Nobody should do that. I know non-sex reproductive techniques are out there (like insemination) but they are morally objectionable whether you are married or unmarried, gay or straight.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Tax-chick didn’t write about “gay Catholics”,at least not in the post you replied to.

Were you thinking of somebody else?

[Mrs. Don-o]

I do think he says “Repent”.

[Mrs. Don-o]

What would not apply? Repentance? Repentance very seriously applies.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Tch. You apparently have no idea what you’re talking about.

[Mrs. Don-o]

“Custody of the eyes” -— and of the heart-— is definitely called for. Don’t undress women mentally, ogle, view porn, intentionally fantasize about somebody other then your wife.

That would keep you free of adultery, inward or outward.