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To: ealgeone
"Direct" and "categorical" proof isn't needed for reasonable inference, which does not prove but does augment the belief in Mary's "pre-purification" as recognized from antiquity.

Many doctrines, both moral and spiritual, are logical corollaries rather than explicit Scripture quotes. This would include, as you know, the moral doctrines against, say, human embryo experimentation, "Critical Gender Theory" and same-sex "marriage", as well Christological doctrines such as the Incarnation and the Trinity.

107 posted on 07/05/2017 10:39:19 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (O Mary, He whom the whole Universe cannot contain, enclosed Himself in your womb and was made man.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Direct" and "categorical" proof isn't needed for reasonable inference, which does not prove but does augment the belief in Mary's "pre-purification" as recognized from antiquity.

Well, yes, direct proof is needed or else you're practicing eisegesis...reading something into the text that isn't there.

Roman Catholicism is rife with that.

Many doctrines, both moral and spiritual, are logical corollaries rather than explicit Scripture quotes. This would include, as you know, the moral doctrines against, say, human embryo experimentation, "Critical Gender Theory" and same-sex "marriage", as well Christological doctrines such as the Incarnation and the Trinity.

Opposition to Critical Gender theory and same sex marriage are easily found in Scripture.

He made them man and woman and blessed them. Gen 5:2

…4Jesus answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”… Matt 19:4-6 NASB

The Incarnation is found in John 1:14.

However, the Immaculate Conception is not found. The reading of Luke 1:28 does not allow for the conclusion drawn by Roman Catholicism.

If you are going to claim, and we'll use the Douay-Rheims translation, that full of grace means sinlessness then you have to accord that to Stephen as well...and any other believer who is described this way.

But that contradicts Biblical teaching that all created beings have sinned.

There are no exceptions in Scripture to this. Not Abraham, not Elijah, not John, not Peter, or Paul...none.

If Mary were sinless Paul would have noted the exception in Romans or elsewhere. That he didn't is revealing.

109 posted on 07/05/2017 12:42:25 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"Direct" and "categorical" proof isn't needed for reasonable inference, which does not prove but does augment the belief in Mary's "pre-purification" as recognized from antiquity.

Well, yes, direct proof is needed or else you're practicing eisegesis...reading something into the text that isn't there.

Roman Catholicism is rife with that.

Many doctrines, both moral and spiritual, are logical corollaries rather than explicit Scripture quotes. This would include, as you know, the moral doctrines against, say, human embryo experimentation, "Critical Gender Theory" and same-sex "marriage", as well Christological doctrines such as the Incarnation and the Trinity.

Opposition to Critical Gender theory and same sex marriage are easily found in Scripture.

He made them man and woman and blessed them. Gen 5:2

…4Jesus answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”… Matt 19:4-6 NASB

The Incarnation is found in John 1:14.

However, the Immaculate Conception is not found. The reading of Luke 1:28 does not allow for the conclusion drawn by Roman Catholicism.

If you are going to claim, and we'll use the Douay-Rheims translation, that full of grace means sinlessness then you have to accord that to Stephen as well...and any other believer who is described this way.

But that contradicts Biblical teaching that all created beings have sinned.

There are no exceptions in Scripture to this. Not Abraham, not Elijah, not John, not Peter, or Paul...none.

If Mary were sinless Paul would have noted the exception in Romans or elsewhere. That he didn't is revealing.

110 posted on 07/05/2017 12:42:25 PM PDT by ealgeone
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