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The absolute necessity of this sacrament is often insisted on by the Fathers of the Church, especially when they speak of infant baptism. Thus St. Irenæus (Against Heresies 2.22): "Christ came to save all who are reborn through Him to God — infants, children, and youths" (infantes et parvulos et pueros). St. Augustine (On the Soul, Book III) says "If you wish to be a Catholic, do not believe, nor say, nor teach, that infants who die before baptism can obtain the remission of original sin." A still stronger passage from the same doctor (Epistle 28) reads:"Whoever says that even infants are vivified in Christ when they depart this life without the participation of His Sacrament (Baptism), both opposes the Apostolic preaching and condemns the whole Church which hastens to baptize infants, because it unhesitatingly believes that otherwise they can not possibly be vivified in Christ," St. Ambrose (II De Abraham., c. xi) speaking of the necessity of baptism, says:" No one is excepted, not the infant, not the one hindered by any necessity."

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However, Ladaria, the universalist, preaches otherwise.

91 posted on 07/04/2017 8:32:15 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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ebb tide:

Yes, they are affirming the necessity of baptism. I am not denying that. What I am saying is that baptism normatively is with Water and Holy Trinity in the Church. There 2 other forms of baptism, Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood, which the same ECF also speak off.


93 posted on 07/04/2017 8:52:29 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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