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To: papertyger
Furthermore, it seems abundantly clear, from the Corinthian letters if from nothing else, that what Scriptures they DID have and used had to be clarified by Apostolic authority (i.e. the Church) because of the easy descent into error when the sheep lack a tangible, conscious, shepherd.

Nonsense...Overseers, elders were apointed in all the churches to teach...We do not need Paul to come to our churches to explain his writing to us...

1Co_2:1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
1Co_2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
1Co_4:19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power.
2Co_3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

Apostolic authority (whatever that is) is NOT the church...There is not any magicsterical authority in the church...God taught the Apostles and disciples...They taught us the same things God taught them...

You noted Corinthians...

1Co 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

You'll notice that the letter is addressed to the church of God at Corinth...It is NOT addressed FROM the church of God to Corinth...


305 posted on 07/04/2017 4:08:48 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

“You’ll notice that the letter is addressed to the church of God at Corinth...It is NOT addressed FROM the church of God to Corinth...”

Gotta leave a smoldering mark on the false claims you responded to...


310 posted on 07/04/2017 4:54:57 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Iscool
Nonsense...Overseers, elders were apointed in all the churches to teach...We do not need Paul to come to our churches to explain his writing to us...

Then why did Paul have to correct them?

They taught us the same things God taught them...

YOU are not a first century Christian. Ignoring the fundamental cultural differences is simply being obdurate.

314 posted on 07/04/2017 5:17:35 PM PDT by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: Iscool
Nonsense...Overseers, elders were apointed in all the churches to teach...We do not need Paul to come to our churches to explain his writing to us...

It is true that the only record of an apostolic successor being elected (which was by the non-political Scriptural means of casting lots: cf. Prov. 16:33) was that of Matthias being chosen for Judas (even though James was martyred: Acts 12:1,2), which maintained the foundational number of apostles (cf. Rv. 21:14)

And that the only leadership we see being ordained as a perpetual ordinance is that of deacons and episkopos=superintendent/presbuteros=senior, these terms (one of function, the other of age or position) referring to those in the same office. (Titus 1:5-7)

But nowhere were they distinctively called “hiereus” or “archiereus" (priests or high priest). All believers are called to sacrifice (Rm. 12:1; 15:16; Phil. 2:17; 4:18; Heb. 13:15,16; cf. 9:9) and all constitute the only priesthood (hieráteuma) in the NT church. (1Pt. 2:5,9; Re 1:6; 5:10; 20:6).

However. just like Israel of old could have used a Moses and a Joshua, a Samuel a David etc. after the kingdom was dividded, so the church could certainly use a Paul, a Peter, etc. But God is under no obligation to give the same level of grace to all, and His judgment for souls failing to render unto thee Lord according to the benefit is just.

And is should not need to be said that Rome's so-called apostolic successors fail of even the qualifications and credentials of manifest Biblical apostles. (Acts 1:21,22; 1Cor. 9:1; Gal. 1:11,12; 2Cor. 6:1-0; 12:12)

Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord? (1 Corinthians 9:1)

But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses, In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings; By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned, By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things. (2 Corinthians 6:4-10)

323 posted on 07/04/2017 7:12:48 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him)
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