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To: af_vet_1981

Yes.

Yes I did.

And then you changed the definition of ‘grace’ right in the middle of it to include works. Yep.

Which, you know, is against the plain words of both Jesus and Paul.


181 posted on 07/02/2017 1:33:11 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
The quoted Catechism didn't go far enough (I wonder why?):

2027 No one can merit the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.

The Catholic frequently changes definitions so that one cannot EVER know assurance of his salvation. They call that the "sin of presumption".

212 posted on 07/02/2017 6:21:04 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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