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Posted on 06/28/2017 9:04:53 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
I never said the country wasn’t founded by Christians.
You’re right. It was founded by white people. Was it founded as a white country?
“Except Luther clearly was unstable and a bundle of contradictions. That’s not an attack. That’s just the truth.”
You smell like a Soviet chekist calling a dissident insane because he doesn’t support the ‘obvious’ wonders of Soviet Socialism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
Logic isn’t your strong suit, is it? Nor is an understanding of the history of Catholic majority countries like Spain.
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/essays/national-laws-on-blasphemy-spain
“Veneration is a form of worship. The Latin root is veneratus which is defined as a blend of reverence and worship.”
The Latin word is used to translate or approximate the Greek word dulia. It was never considered the same thing as what is given to God - hence the use of a different word.
“It’s also noted that the word root comes from the name of the pagan goddess Venus, veneration then being an act of worship to the goddess Venus.”
No, pagan “veneration” would pre-date the actual name of the goddess since the goddess developed among pagan Romans over many centuries when they already had the concept and act of veneration. We know this because the word “venus” existed before the goddess was invented. The word “venus” really has to do with sexual desire, qualities exciting desire, charm. “venus” is a verbal derivative of vener-, venus. Every medievalist has to learn this because you run across the Medieval Latin veneria, from Latin venus, vener-, “desire, love” all the time in medieval poetry and songs.
And, don’t forget, that the Roman pagan goddess Venus took a strong borrowing from the Greek Aphrodite. Thus, the word venus, vener- existed long before the cult began in Rome around the turn of the third century B.C.
It pays to actually study. It’s a shame that so many people today are just products of government schools where they never get anything more than the most superficial of educations.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0059%3Aentry%3DVenus1
https://archive.org/stream/walde/Walde#page/n1663/mode/1up
“I was raised Moravian and they were as pretty straight-laced, conservative and boring as they come.”
Were.
“On what basis will Jesus separate the sheep from the goats at the time of Judgment?”
The first separation will be done by the sheep and goats themselves.
“Will it be on the condition of what assembly they attended, or will there be some other metric?”
More.
open thread amiga.
Perhaps it contains some insight worth contemplating...
The effort to denigrate others beliefs rather than strengthening your own always hits me as feckless
Whatever else you think of Luther he was NOT a heretic
“You smell like a Soviet chekist calling a dissident insane because he doesn’t support the ‘obvious’ wonders of Soviet Socialism.”
Except I’m pointing out what is true and you’re denying it. So who is the insane one? Oh, maybe it’s Luther: http://www.academia.edu/19509441/A_Case_For_Mental_Illness_in_Martin_Luther_And_Preliminary_Observations_About_Its_Positive_Role_In_The_Development_Of_His_Theology
Fair enough Luircin. I understand the emotional component from your perspective. My interest in this thread wasn’t to focus on Luther...maybe I should have ignored it altogether.
My question was in re to the Day of Judgment. If you believe the Holy, inspired Word of God, it is Jesus who will divide the sheep from the goats.
Matthew 25:31-39 31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
So I ask again, on what basis will Jesus make this separation? This is a simple, straightforward question, based entirely on God’s revealed Word. I hope for a similarly simple, straightforward and Scripturally accurate reply.
Your as informed when it comes to.matters of history as you are to theology. Masses ehere held in every state up and down the easterj Seabord including Virginia prior to your lesbian queen sending over a drunken heretic to even attempt to found a colony, or in other words to steal land from Spain.
While I know the history of the Moravian Church, my exposure has primarily been around Christmas and Easter. The only titled role of women within that church that I’d encountered was that of Diener. Of course, I’m male and not Moravian, just Moravian descended in an area where Moravians played a major historical role. I suppose it’s only logical that I wouldn’t have experienced the leadership of the women’s choirs, a choir being much more than just singing there. I’ve helped clean grave markers for Easter that are Moravian in a church that became Lutheran over the centuries, though, and I do know men, women and children were buried in choirs.
“Whatever else you think of Luther he was NOT a heretic”
Who decides that?
When a Lutheran theologian named Luther Alexander Gotwald was tried for heresy in the 1890s he was tried by the Board of Trustees at Wittenberg College in Springfield, Ohio. It would make sense that a Lutheran, accused by other Lutherans of being a heretic, while working at a Lutheran college, would be tried by Lutherans in a protestant country.
Martin Luther was a Catholic priest. He worked at a Catholic university. He lived in a Catholic country. He was accused by Catholics of being a heretic. Who had authority then to try him and see if he was a heretic?
And what about Protestants who (ironically) think the worst of Luther?
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