[mountn man]

You can have whatever OPINION you want, but can’t Biblically deny the rapture.

1 Thessalonians 4: 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Stated pretty matter of factly.
The only thing open for discussion is the timing.

[stormhill]

Fine. I will biblically PROVE there's no rapture.

At His second coming, Christ's feet shall stand on the mount of Olives after He fights with the nations (Zechariah 14:4). If the saints are always with the Lord, they will be there also.

This will conclude my involvement in this line of discussion. Neither of us will persuade the other. Have a nice life.

[Campion]

Don't you think that the Lord descending from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God, followed by the dead rising from their graves, will be a bigger news item than living Christians being "snatched up"?

Paul is describing the Second Coming on the Last Day, and is assuring his readers that they will in no way be "left out" or "left behind" if that should occur while they are still alive. That's all. No "secret rapture" needed or taught.

[huldah1776]

First and Second Thessalonians should never be studied separately. Second Thessalonians is a response to the Thessalonian’s response to First Thessalonians. Both are about the Resurrection. The resurrection of the dead is key.

2 Thess. 2

2 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?

[Lil Flower]

Yeah, it pretty matter of factly is talking about the Second Coming, the ONLY one Christ spoke of.