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To: ravenwolf
I guess you might have been too steamed up to carefully read what I wrote there, and do your own interpretation of the Greek and Hebrew and Chaldee languages involved.

My opinions in Post #204 are well backed up by the citations I gave, in spite of your smart comment. If you think the Scriptures say something different, prove it. Anyone that reads the whole New Testament carefully will come to the obvious conclusion the Simon bar Jona was headstrong, opinionated, bossy, and hungry for power over others. That does not mean that he didn't turn out to be a pretty good Christian, a plain, rough man who could speak to the many other tough men of that age better than you or I could. But you have to look at his whole person, the way the Bible presents him--the way that the Messiah took him and enlarged his fitness to serve, even to the death, when brought under contol and to humbleness.

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Word meaning and pronunciation:

Strong's Number G2786 (Greek)
Κηφᾶς
Kēphas
kay-fas'
Strong's Definition:
Of Chaldee origin (compare [H3710]); the Rock; Cephas (that is, Kepha), surname of Peter: - Cephas.

Strong's Number H3710 (Chaldee)
כּף
kêph
kafe
Strong's Definition
From H3721; a hollow rock: - rock.
Brown, Driver, Briggs Definition:
1) rock, hollow of a rock
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H3721
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There are a couple of philological notes you might want to let enter into your noggin:

(1) A hollow in a rock is called a cave; sound it out and see if that is not a clue.

(2) The word "cephalic" is an adjective related to a head or the head. That's another clue.

I've told you something that takes you a little deeper into what the Scripture says about "Peter" that others shy away from, because of their false adulation of him. In doing so, they are just as dense as he was at the start. Is that going to be your route, too, to fail to see all of what the Scriptures say? Are you going to settle for just part of it?.

365 posted on 06/23/2017 3:35:11 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

a hollow rock: ???????????

the Rock; Cephas (that is, Kepha), .......
that is all we really need, nothing more.

Every now and then a word will actually change the meaning of scripture, for instance changing Slept to sleeping may make it appear that the Resurrection had not happened yet.

And of course that is why the scribes and pharisees changed it in many versions of the Bible.

John 1:42
And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.

This was translated from the Greek, but Cephas comes from the Greek so no interpretation is needed.

And your opinion of Peter does not matter to me, if it is not in scripture please preach it to the new converts, they will probably buy it in their anxiety to be anti Catholic..


367 posted on 06/24/2017 10:13:06 AM PDT by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain words, please don`t preach it to me.)
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