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To: Boogieman

That is not moving the goalposts since both are devolving [and you even agreed!] - weak debate point at best - I did not change the argument only shed more light on it. So please tell us how the sunlight [this is not directed work btw] is specifically causing more order on the Earth [more plant and animal life is not more order]. The Earth can not be both evolving and devolving at the same time.


160 posted on 06/13/2017 6:00:37 AM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

“That is not moving the goalposts...”

Yes it is. If you make one proposition, then try to switch to a different proposition in the middle of an argument, it is moving the goalposts:

“Moving the Goalposts

(also known as: gravity game, raising the bar, argument by demanding impossible perfection [form of])

Description: Demanding from an opponent that he or she address more and more points after the initial counter-argument has been satisfied refusing to conceded or accept the opponent’s argument.”

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/129/Moving_the_Goalposts

“since both are devolving [and you even agreed!]”

No, I said that the earth+sun system (both of them together) was devolving, but that does not mean that the earth alone is necessarily devolving when looked at separately. You cannot simply equate the earth system and the earth+sun system, because they are vastly different.

“So please tell us how the sunlight [this is not directed work btw] is specifically causing more order on the Earth [more plant and animal life is not more order].”

I’ve never argued that, all I have argued is that you cannot call the earth a closed system since it receives a large amount of constant external energy input. Therefore it can never meet the definition of a closed system.

As I said, I’m a creationist, I’m not trying to argue for evolution, I’m simply pointing out that you made a false argument. There are plenty of good arguments against evolution, but that is not one of them.


168 posted on 06/13/2017 8:00:25 AM PDT by Boogieman
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