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To: ealgeone
You seem to be missing my main point. It is not that some historic Protestant leaders were bad people, rather it's that the Scripture itself - that you claim all true Christians believe is all that is needed has, itself, been modified on many occasions by the same people claiming it's the only guide needed.

It would be as if I said "The Constitution is the only guide needed for law in America" , but then continued "sadly the version we are used to is corrupted and the 2nd and 5th Amendments are hereby removed, along with some parts of Article 2."

Convenient, especially if the parts being removed or mis-translated concern things like Divorce that the secular-power responsible for the Versioning find inconvenient. (As was the case with both the English Bibles and Luther-edited Bibles.)

I think the Protestant reformation did, at least initially, draw attention to areas were the Catholic Church was very corrupt. And, as student of history I am quite willing to conceded that there were many corrupt popes.

What I'm not willing to concede is that Catholics are not Christian, that's a ridiculous and bigoted belief. To compare the Catholic Church to Mormonism is absurd. I would never say that Protestantism is like Scientology, because I am intellectually honest enough to admit that Protestants and Catholics are members of the same religion, just holding different views on things, and in my opinion neither is right about everything.

You are, sadly, continuing the great Protestant tradition of schism, breaking apart what should be one into two, three, twenty, two hundred, two thousand different entities.

If other Protestant sects disagree with your on other key doctrines (say predestination) do you also consider them Non-Christian, but an entirely different religion.

What Church did you grow up in? Have you changed from one sect to another as an adult? These are pretty simple questions which you seem unwilling to answer.

25 posted on 05/27/2017 12:02:47 PM PDT by Jack Black (Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
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To: Jack Black
You seem to be missing my main point. It is not that some historic Protestant leaders were bad people, rather it's that the Scripture itself - that you claim all true Christians believe is all that is needed has, itself, been modified on many occasions by the same people claiming it's the only guide needed.

The Catholic continues to advance the argument the Scriptures have been altered by Luther and others.

To continue that line of reasoning dismisses the overwhelming evidence of the copies of the texts we have of the NT.

If something is altered, as the Mormon does, we can determine through comparison of the documents the error. This has been done so very thoroughly with Mormonism.

Again, as noted...Scripture testifies to itself of its sufficiency.

What I'm not willing to concede is that Catholics are not Christian, that's a ridiculous and bigoted belief.

However, that is exactly what Catholics say about non-Catholics.

That aside, the Catholic that relies upon Mary for salvation, prays to her, wears the Scapular, etc, is not relying upon Christ and Christ alone rendering their belief non-Christian.

As the Roman Catholic church supports the above, it is right to call into question if a Catholic is a Christian.

A Christian is a follower of Christ. A Christian relies upon faith in Christ for their salvation. Not a created being. Not a piece of cloth or a medal.

To rely upon those shows a lack of faith in Christ.

To compare the Catholic Church to Mormonism is absurd. I would never say that Protestantism is like Scientology, because I am intellectually honest enough to admit that Protestants and Catholics are members of the same religion, just holding different views on things, and in my opinion neither is right about everything.

The comparison between the RCC and Mormonism is the accordance of non-Scriptural writings an equal, if not in some cases greater, authority than inspired Scripture.

The Catholic position on the Mass and the consumption of flesh and blood as necessary for salvation vs the Biblical position of faith in Christ is not a minor disagreement.

28 posted on 05/27/2017 12:24:13 PM PDT by ealgeone
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