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To: Fedora
I note that you had to add a series of additional qualifiers to kneeling in order to avoid the point that kneeling is not always worship.

"Had to add?" I had to add nothing , since I NEVER claimed that kneeling always denoted worship, but it is You who had to take away the qualifiers which describe what Catholics give to Mary and which correspond to worship! That is what you responded to by reducing the issue down to only kneeling.

The Psalmist frequently praises God's creations,

Sophistry. None one ever gives to any creation the depth of adulation and supernatural attributes which Catholics laud their Mary with. Once again your must craftily resort to minimization.

None of her titles address her as "Creator of the universe"

And what does this avail you? People can worship Obama without making him the creator. No created being is ever said to be the sinless dispenser or all grace, so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse." and whose power now "is all but unlimited," and who can hear all prayers addressed to her, and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven," including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels," and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus," and whose [Mary] merits we are saved by, who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin," and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess," etc.

All of her titles are meant to indicate her close relationship with her Son and to hold her up as a role model for how to imitate her Son,

Come on. By ascribing such attributes and glory to Mary which are nowhere given her or to any created being then you are making here into a demigoddess, not a Biblical role model.

As for her ability to hear an infinite number of prayers, this is not surprising since God has this ability and his grace is sufficient to bestow it on another,

You do realize what you have just done don't you? Faced with an attribute only God is shown having and not any created being, your resort to rationalizing that it is fine to say Mary has that power since God can give it to her, but what God can do is no basis for claiming. You might as well teach that she parted the Red Sea and multitude other fantasies!

she is the "one full of grace" (Luke 1:28)--a title Gabriel gave her, demonstrating that honoring her with titles is Biblical.

Once again we see the art of Catholic extrapolation, attempting to use a Biblical principal to justify what they wring out of it. Sure God honors persons of virtue, which Mary was, but which simply does not justify the manner of adulation given to Mary, which is indeed far "above that which is written" (which is not of obscure meaning). Meanwhile, Mary is not said to be "full" of grace as is said of Christ, and is not a formal title.

457 posted on 05/04/2017 5:33:41 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

“I am the LORD, that is My name;
            I will not give My glory to another,
            Nor My praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8)

For my own sake, even for my own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory to another. (Isaiah 48:11)


464 posted on 05/04/2017 8:57:03 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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