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To: Fedora
So you think that when a man gets on one knee to propose to a woman, he’s worshipping her?

What kind of perverse analogy is that to kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them?

If you did that to a woman then yes, I would think you were worshiping her, like as devotees of the "dear Leader" in North Korea do.

285 posted on 05/01/2017 5:47:52 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
[My original:]So you think that when a man gets on one knee to propose to a woman, he’s worshipping her?

[Your reply:]What kind of perverse analogy is that to kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them?

If you did that to a woman then yes, I would think you were worshiping her, like as devotees of the "dear Leader" in North Korea do.

I note that you had to add a series of additional qualifiers to kneeling in order to avoid the point that kneeling is not always worship. The point stands, since the qualifiers can be addressed. "Praise" is not worship. The Psalmist frequently praises God's creations, not as a way of worshipping them, but as a way of praising their Creator, which is what Catholics do when we praise Mary--for as Paul says, woman is the glory of man, and man is the image and the glory of God (1 Corinthians 11:7, with Mary contrasted with Eve down in verse 12). None of her titles address her as "Creator of the universe" or anything of the sort, contrary to the argument being made in this and other posts in the thread. All of her titles are meant to indicate her close relationship with her Son and to hold her up as a role model for how to imitate her Son, but she is never placed above her Son, and a review of her titles will demonstrate this (a long task I will not attempt in this post, but I will come back to it). As for her ability to hear an infinite number of prayers, this is not surprising since God has this ability and his grace is sufficient to bestow it on another, and she is the "one full of grace" (Luke 1:28)--a title Gabriel gave her, demonstrating that honoring her with titles is Biblical.

452 posted on 05/03/2017 10:45:33 PM PDT by Fedora
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