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To: G Larry

Did I not ask you already -- on what basis does one make that claim?

I do not speak for him, but it is my guess the man would likely enough agree with that statement. So? And?

How would you know about that?

Do you some personal knowledge about this writer that none other here appear to have? Did he confess to you about himself having committed some horrific sin? He must not be Christian, for having written about what in his own view constitutes being a Christian, and what in comparison does not? Are you not doing very much that same thing, in regards to that one man, but doing so going by arguably less than he has, in his own criticisms of Catholicism (and of the Coptics)?

How does anyone find forgiveness among Roman Catholics? From so-called "priests" only, huh?

Being he likely has not availed himself of those hirelings' tender mercies, then although some of those individuals who are 'priests' may forgive the man, it appears to me that you most certainly do not.

Instead, you have become the prosecutor condemning him on basis of your own assumptions about what he allegedly is "ignorant" of, and the way you assume he "lives his life".

If that's the way the Lord truly would have us all be, then boil me in oil, and call me a buttered biscuit. Careful though. I may fight back. The hot oil could be spilt, or the wrong persons (in your own opinion) end up headfirst in the vats instead of me, or the critic that you more than criticize, but have already judged.

91 posted on 04/25/2017 10:42:08 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

you have become the prosecutor condemning me on basis of your own assumptions

Making the claim of faith alone is an admission of ignorance of the relevance of the Scripture I cited.

and

John 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”


92 posted on 04/25/2017 11:24:00 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: BlueDragon

I think if you’re boiled in oil you’d be a hushpuppy and not a buttered biscuit. Just FYI. ;o)


104 posted on 04/25/2017 7:54:34 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: BlueDragon

I’m pointing to the facts Hall ignores, which is the root of “ignorance”.

“Did I not ask you already — on what basis does one make that claim?”

And I answered already:

When one ignores the Scripture that makes it clear that both Faith and Works are necessary, and continue to contend that only Faith matters, as Hall does, then he has illustrated his ignorance.
“Believe” means something beyond checking a square.

“I do not speak for him, but it is my guess the man would likely enough agree with that statement. So? And?”

The verses I quoted make clear that if your stated beliefs don’t show up in the way you live your life, then your claim of belief is void.

“How would you know about that?”

Scripture states it clearly:
James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.

James 2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another road? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.

This isn’t about how Hall lived, it is about what he writes regarding his belief, that how he lives doesn’t matter as long as he has faith.

The Scripture I cited contradicts that belief.

Matt 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.”

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God— 9 not the result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are what he has made us, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to be our way of life.

1 Corinthians 9:27 but I punish my body and enslave it, so that after proclaiming to others I myself should not be disqualified.

2 Timothy 2:12 if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he will also deny us;

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed me, not only in my presence, but much more now in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who is at work in you, enabling you both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

James 2:14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.

James 2:24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another road? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.

I’m “prosecuting” beliefs, not unknown behavior.

Do you some personal knowledge about this writer that none other here appear to have? Did he confess to you about himself having committed some horrific sin? He must not be Christian, for having written about what in his own view constitutes being a Christian, and what in comparison does not?

The debate is about Hall’s conclusions regarding the teaching of Scripture.
Are you not doing very much that same thing, in regards to that one man, but doing so going by arguably less than he has, in his own criticisms of Catholicism (and of the Coptics)?

You seem hung up on the notion that I’m judging Hall’s behavior in life.
Scripture tells us that the behavior matters.
How does anyone find forgiveness among Roman Catholics? From so-called “priests” only, huh?

John 20:22-23

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

Being he likely has not availed himself of those hirelings’ tender mercies, then although some of those individuals who are ‘priests’ may forgive the man, it appears to me that you most certainly do not.

Instead, you have become the prosecutor condemning him on basis of your own assumptions about what he allegedly is “ignorant” of, and the way you assume he “lives his life”.

I “assume” nothing about how Hall lives, I only assert that Scripture tells us that it matters.
If that’s the way the Lord truly would have us all be, ….

Why do you say “if”?
Read the Scripture I’ve cited.


115 posted on 04/28/2017 9:19:05 PM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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