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To: BipolarBob

“I don’t know whether you are being facetious or satirical or are that deficient in the knowledge of the Bible.”

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Oh I think I know at least as much as you do...probably a lot more.

“For look, the Day is coming, glowing like a furnace. All the proud and all the evil-doers will be the stubble, and the Day,when it comes, will set them ablaze, says Yahweh Sabaoth, leaving them neither root nor branch. But for you who fear my name, the Sun of justice will rise with healing rays, and you will come out leaping like calves from the stall, and trample on the wicked, who will be like ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act, says the Yahweh Sabaoth.”

Malachi 3:19-21

Love and fear both play a part in the conversion process. When a man loves God, then he’ll do what God commands when he [the man] feels like it. When man truly fears God, then he does what God commands when God feels like it. If you think that God’s too nice to judge people harshly, well, I don’t know what to say. But taking God’s commandments lightly means that God might take you lightly at Judgement...just something for all people (not you in particular) to consider.


41 posted on 03/18/2017 9:56:03 AM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: Bishop_Malachi; BipolarBob

In Acts 15 the Council at Jerusalem addressed the Judaizers contention that Christians must obey the Law.

The HOLY SPIRIT chimes in in that one.

Read the passage posted upthread from that chapter.


43 posted on 03/18/2017 9:59:25 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Bishop_Malachi
When a man loves God, then he’ll do what God commands when he [the man] feels like it.

Only if you think love is a feeling.

And that's not even necessarily true even then.

A man may be tempted to cheat on his wife, but does not out of love for her, not because he doesn't feel like it or fears her wrath.

Love can command greater devotion and sacrifice than fear can.

44 posted on 03/18/2017 10:01:29 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Bishop_Malachi; metmom
Love and fear both play a part in the conversion process. When a man loves God, then he’ll do what God commands when he [the man] feels like it.

That assertion is not what Scripture teaches, for instead it teaches that if one truly loves God then such will obey Him, and repent when convicted of not doing so.

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (John 14:21)

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. (John 14:24)

When man truly fears God, then he does what God commands when God feels like it.

He will or at least try to, as Luther did as an ascetic monk, but the "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge," (Proverbs 1:7) and to know and obey God out of love is the goal and the higher motivation (not that i abide on it):

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (1 John 4:18)

Note however, that love and fear need not be contrasted, for rather than a fearful motivation such as a child may have of a one dimensional tormentor (as per Luther the monk) - or even that of a abuser - in contrast the Godly esteemed reverential awe of God which appreciates what God has, can and will do as a consuming fire of evil, including such as those who afflict the widow and the fatherless and cause ones to stumble, and as One whose so loved a wicked people that He gave what He did not created, who in turn loved me and gave Himself for me." And also daily loadeth us with benefits. Thanks be to God.

And thus as with" Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling," (Psalms 2:11) "walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied," (Acts 9:31) we can have two apparently conflict emotions, yet which actually go together. Thanks be to God.

But taking God’s commandments lightly means that God might take you lightly at Judgement.

Such would indicate one does not believe. One is not saved because his obedience makes him actually worthy, deserving, but because he believes with the manner of faith which effects obedience. The meek will inherit the earth, not because they earned it by being meek, but because such is a characteristic of saving faith. And which Reformers taught , though Scripture also warns of departing from the living, loving God by unbelief, and thus impenitent sinning. (Heb. 3:9,12; 10:38,39)

106 posted on 03/18/2017 5:01:35 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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