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To: boatbums
All of those verses affirm such a thing as the holy spirit of God. That is biblical. However what is NOT biblical is the placing of the holy spirit in the Godhead. Nobody in biblical times did it. It is an "evolved" doctrine.

Evidence is overwhelming:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  He was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 

No holy spirit in the Godhead.

Dan_7:13  "I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him.

No holy spirit in the Godhead.

Rev 7:10  and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!" 
Rev 7:11  All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 

Who is God? Father and son, but no holy spirit.

What God does Paul send greetings from in EVERY letter? the God that is composed of the father and son:

1Co 1:3  Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 

Never a greeting from the holy spirit. Blasphemous of Paul if it were understood that way. But Paul didn't understand the Godhead that way. Nobody in biblical times did.

The historical evidence of how the trinity came about is crystal clear. It grew and developed and didn't become full fledged until centuries after the death of Christ. It's not biblical.

76 posted on 02/09/2017 8:25:39 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; metmom
Of course, I disagree. The reasons are because Scripture explicitly states (notice all the pronouns):

The Holy Spirit Is a Person

The Holy Spirit is included in the Trinity, which is made up of 3 distinct persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The following verses give us a beautiful picture of the Trinity in the Bible:

Matthew 3:16-17
As soon as Jesus (the Son) was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God (the Holy Spirit) descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven (the Father) said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." (NIV)

Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (NIV)

John 14:16-17
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-- the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. (NIV)

2 Corinthians 13:14
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. (NIV)

Acts 2:32-33
God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. (NIV)

The Holy Spirit has the Characteristics of Personality; The Holy Spirit has a Mind:

    Romans 8:27
    And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will. (NIV)

The Holy Spirit has a Will:

    1 Corinthians 12:11
    But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills. (NASB)

The Holy Spirit has Emotions, he grieves:

    Isaiah 63:10
    Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them. (NIV)

The Holy Spirit gives joy:

    Luke 10: 21
    At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure." (NIV)

    1 Thessalonians 1:6
    You became imitators of us and of the Lord; in spite of severe suffering, you welcomed the message with the joy given by the Holy Spirit.

He Teaches:

    John 14:26
    But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. (NIV)

He Testifies of Christ:

    John 15:26
    When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. (NIV)

He Convicts:

    John 16:8
    When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt [Or will expose the guilt of the world] in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: (NIV)

He Leads:

    Romans 8:14
    Because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. (NIV)

He Reveals Truth:

    John 16:13
    But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. (NIV)

He Strengthens and Encourages:

    Acts 9:31
    Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord. (NIV)

He Comforts:

    John 14:16
    And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; (KJV)

He Helps Us in our Weakness:

    Romans 8:26
    In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. (NIV)

He Intercedes:

    Romans 8:26
    In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. (NIV)

He Searches the Deep Things of God:

    1 Corinthians 2:11
    The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. (NIV)

He Sanctifies:

    Romans 15:16
    To be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. (NIV)

He Bears Witness or Testifies:

    Romans 8:16
    The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (KJV)

He Forbids:

    Acts 16:6-7
    Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia. When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to. (NIV)

He Can be Lied to:

    Acts 5:3
    Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? (NIV)

He Can be Resisted:

    Acts 7:51
    "You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit!" (NIV)

He Can be Blasphemed:

    Matthew 12:31-32
    And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. (NIV)

He Can be Quenched:

    1 Thessalonians 5:19
    Quench not the Spirit. (NKJV)

http://christianity.about.com/od/topicalbiblestudies/a/whoisholyspirit.htm

78 posted on 02/09/2017 10:27:27 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: DouglasKC

How did JESUS define God The Father Almighty? ... He is Spirit and must be worshipped in Spirit and Truth. And Who is The Truth, by HIS own words? ... Might want to rethink your assertion ...


84 posted on 02/10/2017 5:01:57 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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