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To: wardaddy; cloudmountain

I only wish that were enough, but I agree with cloudmountain. The pope is not the problem. If this pope’s papacy came to an end, either by death, resignation or removal, he would be replaced by another Modernist who is equally disgraceful. As evil as the behavior that this man has demonstrated may be, and I do see his governance as evil, he is only continuing the heretical thinking that was spawned by the Modernists of Vatican II.

Cloudmountain is correct, the problem is the bishops––and not just the German, Belgium and other European bishops––all of the bishops. Some, and only by comparison, appear less destructive than others (such as Burke et al), but not one of them appear to have the spiritual courage necessary to correct the serious and ongoing errors of the Church. But until we see one or more of them step forward and advocate a return to the teachings of the Church during the days of St Pope Pius X, the Church will only continue to erode.

And yes, there would be a price to pay for that bishop that steps forward to please Jesus Christ and not mankind. He would probably be quickly removed by the pope. But when faithful Catholics recognize that his removal was for following the true teachings of the Church, other bishops who recognize that their current path will only lead them to perdition, they will follow in his path. Then and only then might it be possible to see a change in direction.


30 posted on 01/16/2017 5:57:49 AM PST by tomsbartoo (St Pius X watch over us)
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To: tomsbartoo
Thank you.

I agree with your statement. We need BISHOPS with the will to do what is right, according to Jesus--NO ONE else.

There are brave bishops who would step forward. We pray for them every day.

31 posted on 01/16/2017 6:06:48 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: tomsbartoo
And yes, there would be a price to pay for that bishop that steps forward to please Jesus Christ and not mankind.

A horse's head in his bed.

34 posted on 01/16/2017 9:07:06 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: tomsbartoo; cloudmountain; BlatherNaut; Pelham

How did it change from a COC that installed JPII and Benedict then maybe remove Benedict to elect this liberation theologian

Did the COC have a big shift?

I’m not privy to any catholic info beyond what I read here or what my kinfiljs say

They detest Francis

One said imagine Obama as Pope

I know there are competing forces in the church

And it shifts

Once Jesuits were doctrinaire but look at them now

Aren’t Benedictine orders considered conservative dogma whereas the aforementioned Mary Knolls are the opposite

Is it forced like these that captured the COC for progressives

In my experience and observing it appears to an outsider like me that run of the mill catholic clergy are more liberal than myself on all culture issues except abortion and that the meme of good works is more heavily weighted than for me as a southern baptist or presbyterianist

Many Catholics here extremely sensitive so if as every time I wander into Francis bashing I have to qualify what I appreciate about the historical church I will

It’s not for me but I sure respect the historical significance and civilizing force of the church

I do not like Francis but I held my fire early on till Catholics here could get up to speed on the unfolding reality of this man

Things like this in the church

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN0ZH4LP

Did they win?


36 posted on 01/16/2017 11:29:49 AM PST by wardaddy (trump is a great tourniquet but that's all folks.......)
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