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To: Springfield Reformer

“... John is saying whatever miracles are recorded are enough that if you believe these, you have eternal life...”

You misunderstand me. The belief in Jesus is the doorway. The door must be entered, as in your belief must be tested, and the test is that of obedience.

Read all that Jesus taught and ask if you are obedient to it all. In as much as you aren’t, you don’t have faith in his miracles.


1,094 posted on 01/19/2017 5:38:14 AM PST by Repent and Believe (The Son of Man, when He cometh, shall He find, think you, faith on earth? Jesus Christ (Luke 18:8))
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To: Repent and Believe

You invert the simple test recorded in Scripture. Obedience may verify that our belief is sincere. But we do not place our trust in our own obedience. That’s upside-down from the Gospel message, that the death of Christ is what reconciles us to God the Father and secures our place in His kingdom, not the perfection of our theology or our life practices.

In fact, Paul says the law was given as a teacher to show obedience is impossible, in order to lead us to faith in Christ, because we know that without His forgiveness and resurrection power living in us, no amount of obedience can ever save us. All believers are imperfect in their compliance with the teaching of Jesus, and will be so until the resurrection. But they are still believers, still in a permanent status of adopted sons and daughters. We do not lose that status for every event where we fall short of our high calling in Christ, no more than we disown our own sons and daughters when they sometimes disappoint us. Are we better people than God? God forbid! We may be disciplined, as children often are, but we are still accounted as those who believe, who are indwelt by God’s Holy Spirit, and rightful heirs to all the promises He has made to those who trust in Him.

Peace,

SR


1,097 posted on 01/19/2017 6:09:08 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Repent and Believe; Springfield Reformer; Elsie
The door must be entered, as in your belief must be tested, and the test is that of obedience.

Jesus put no such condition on our faith.

It doesn't have to be tested to be saved. He simply said, *If you believe*

The door must be entered, as in your belief must be tested, and the test is that of obedience.

And is entered by faith and here is news for Catholics. NOBODY can EVER be obedient in everything God requires of us. It's not going to happen. It's simply not possible here on earth in this mortal body.

Anyone who thinks they can go even a day without sinning is deceiving themselves.

Read all that Jesus taught and ask if you are obedient to it all. In as much as you aren’t, you don’t have faith in his miracles.

What? If we don't obey we don't have faith in His miracles?

Faith in His miracles isn't required. Faith in HIM is.

And if we obey it shows our love for Him, but it has no connection to faith in His miracles.

Honestly, the dots Catholics connect ........

1,113 posted on 01/19/2017 7:12:52 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Repent and Believe; Elsie; metmom; BlueDragon; Springfield Reformer; daniel1212; MHGinTN; ...

“Read all that Jesus taught and ask if you are obedient to it all. In as much as you aren’t, you don’t have faith in his miracles.”

You miss the point completely on the reason for...
The Savior Jesus Christ!
EVERYONE FAILS!!!

Joseph, Mary, Pope, me, you, and every other lump of clay has, does, and will fail.

This is the very reason for the Law is to show humanity that no one except Jesus can live up to the standard (Law) of God.

We didn’t pick God He picked us and called us to His Son.
Ephesians 1:4

We didn’t have our own faith He gave it to us to begin with. Acts 15:11, Ephesians 2:8, Romans 9:16

We have all sinned and all will continue to sin.

1 John 1:10Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Romans 3:23Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

23 For all have sinned, and do need the glory of God.

Romans 3:9-18Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

9 What then? Do we excel them? No, not so. For we have charged both Jews, and Greeks, that they are all under sin.
10 As it is written: There is not any man just.
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 All have turned out of the way; they are become unprofitable together: there is none that doth good, there is not so much as one.
13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have dealt deceitfully. The venom of asps is under their lips.
14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery in their ways:
17 And the way of peace they have not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Luke 1:46-47Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

46 And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord.
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.

Your/my church fallen, your/my parents fallen, and your/my earth fallen and cursed, but rejoice beloved for our Great Savior Jesus took our crown of thorns, took our nails, took our stripes. took our plucking, and took our death so that we could and have freedom and eternal life guaranteed.

The thief on the crossed summed it up exactly to the point.
In his time of near death on the cross he come to the reality that he was fearing/reverance of God.

He admitted I have sinned and deserve the cross and the death because of what I have done in life.

He admitted that Jesus was innocent.

He finally realized that he had nothing left, nothing to give, or nothing he could do except put his faith in Jesus Christ and he said Jesus remember me when you come into your Kingdom. At that very moment Jesus said today you will be with Me in Paradise.

Notice at that very moment the thief was saved, and while he was on the cross still dying he was being saved, and and later that day he was in Paradise with Jesus saved.

Example... I was saved, I am being saved, and I will be saved.

Note the one difference between rc’s and prot is that you rc’s think that the church, pope, Mary, or you can do something for God, but prot thank God for what He has already done for us realizing we are just too lost to do anything for Him.

All we can do is have Faith in what He has already done, not what we can or will do.

Hebrews 11:6Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

6 But without faith it is impossible to please God. For he that cometh to God, must believe that he is, and is a rewarder to them that seek him.

Romans 10:9-11Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

9 For if thou confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him up from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For, with the heart, we believe unto justice; but, with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith: Whosoever believeth in him, shall not be confounded.


1,123 posted on 01/19/2017 8:34:58 PM PST by mrobisr ( so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow)
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To: Repent and Believe
Read all that Jesus taught and ask if you are obedient to it all. In as much as you aren’t, you don’t have faith in his miracles.

Matthew 23: 8-10 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.Andcall no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.

1,154 posted on 01/20/2017 4:43:10 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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