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Theologian: Shared Communion With Protestants Would be Blasphemy and Sacrilege
National Catholic Register ^ | January 2, 2017 | Edward Pentin

Posted on 01/02/2017 4:25:11 AM PST by BlessedBeGod

...If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium”, leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” an Italian theologian has warned.

Drawing on the Church’s teaching based on Sacred Scripture and Tradition, Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, stressed that non-Catholic Christians must have undertaken baptism and confirmation in the Catholic Church, and repented of grave sin through sacramental confession, in order to be able to receive Jesus in the Eucharist.

Msgr. Bux was responding to the Register about concerns that elements of the current pontificate might be sympathetic of a form of “open Communion” proposed by the German Protestant theologian, Jürgen Moltmann.

The concerns have arisen primarily due to the Holy Father’s own comments on Holy Communion and Lutherans, his apparent support for some remarried divorcees to receive Holy Communion, and how others have used his frequently repeated maxim about the Eucharist: that it is “not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”

The debate specifically over intercommunion with Christian denominations follows recent remarks by Cardinal Walter Kasper who, in a Dec. 10 interview with Avvenire, said he hopes Pope Francis’ next declaration will open the way for intercommunion with other denominations “in special cases.”

The German theologian said shared Eucharistic communion is just a matter of time, and that the Pope’s recent participation in the Reformation commemoration in Lund has given “a new thrust” to the “ecumenical process.”

Pope Francis has often expressed his admiration for Cardinal Kasper’s theology whose thinking has significantly influenced…the priorities of this pontificate, particularly on the Eucharist.

For Moltmann, Holy Communion is “the Lord's supper, not something organized by a church or a denomination”...

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To: ebb tide; metmom
>>A born again believer.<<

Did you get baptized again? When you were "reborn"?

1Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews;

2this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?”

5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6“That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7“Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

8“The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9Nicodemus said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things?

11“Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.

12“If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?

13“No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

14“As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up;

15so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

John 3:1-15 NASB

841 posted on 01/16/2017 6:56:09 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
You reject the Sacrament of Confession, that's in the New Testament.

We reject what the Catholic church calls as confession as there is NO precedent for it as the Catholic church practices it anywhere in the NT.

And admonition of confessing out sins to each other does not mean going to a separated priestly class to do it nor is there any instruction for the whole confessional thing.

we believe in going to the person we wronged to ask them to forgive us, not anonymously going to a third party and telling them about it and never making it right with the party we wronged.

That's the cowardly way out. It's MUCH harder to confess to the person we wronged face to face and admit that we wronged them and ask them to forgive us for it.

The problem a lot of Catholics have is conflating rejection of the false teachings of Catholicism with rejection of God.

Not the same thing at all.

842 posted on 01/16/2017 6:56:26 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Well, my pastors where suits, not dresses.

Why? Are they lesbians?

843 posted on 01/16/2017 6:57:05 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: boatbums

When they simply WILL NOT listen, sometimes there’s no choice.

However, there is the lurkers who may be learning the truth for the first time and to let the false claim that Luther removed books from the Bible stand does a disservice to them.


844 posted on 01/16/2017 6:59:17 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide
He is as long as you continue to sin.

No, Jesus' death is greater than my sin.

It is no longer holding Him there. He rose again to prove that He triumphed over death and conquered it and sin was defeated.

It no longer has any power to hold Him there.

That’s what He died for, to save you in His Church.

Salvation is through faith, not a church. When we are saved, we become His church, part of His true spiritual body, not part of a religious organization that claims it's His body but doesn't act a think like Christ.

845 posted on 01/16/2017 7:02:32 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
We reject what the Catholic church calls as confession as there is NO precedent for it as the Catholic church practices it anywhere in the NT.

I'm getting tired of "We". Who exactly is we and are you their spokesman?

Is "we" all people (aka heretics) who claim to be Christians yet reject the Church He established?

846 posted on 01/16/2017 7:05:27 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
But I'm curious, what "believers" do you confess your sins? Your neighbor? The mailman?

If they were the one I wronged, then YES!

847 posted on 01/16/2017 7:05:29 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: boatbums
It won't do any good when people willfully wallow in their ignorance. It may just be dust-shaking-off time, eh?

You are correct BB. The ignorance is willful. I am reminded of Matthew 15:8-9. This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Due to judicial hardening, I think many, if not all, grow further away from Jesus, not closer.

Here is another angle I see. Since Satan tries to counterfeit everything that God creates, the fact that there are false religions out there, tells me they are counterfeits, but a counterfeit, means the REAL TRUTH is there too.
If anyone has an occasional honest doubt that they have the truth, just look at all the counterfeit religions out there.

848 posted on 01/16/2017 7:06:48 PM PST by Mark17 (20 Years USAF ATCer, Retired. 25 years CDCR C/O, Retired)
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To: metmom

Who do you confess to when you commit adultery?

The wife or the mistress?


849 posted on 01/16/2017 7:07:29 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide; MHGinTN
And the apostle John speaking as he was guided by the Holy Spirit said this.

1 John 1:7-10 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

So what right does the priest have to retain sin that God promised would be forgiven if confessed? The priest certainly cannot read minds or know another person's heart.

850 posted on 01/16/2017 7:08:46 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide

I was born again in Aug 1977.

I don’t know the exact date but I do remember the exact circumstances.

It was at work.

I did get baptized again because I wanted to make the public profession of my faith of my own volition that I could remember.


851 posted on 01/16/2017 7:10:49 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide

The apostles did not eat Jesus during the Last Supper.

He was sitting in front of them handing out bread and wine.


852 posted on 01/16/2017 7:11:56 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide
Wrong. Jesus only conferred that authority upon his apostles. No one else.

Wrong. The passage about binding and loosing makes no connection to the practice of Christian confession, let alone confession to priests. If anything, binding and loosing is an apostolic exercise of judgment in the body of Christ. There is no indication in the Gospel passages it is passed on to anyone, or if one speculated it could be passed on, there is nothing limiting it to a designated priesthood. But even if there were such a limitation, it would be meaningless, because before God all believers are priests:
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.
(1 Peter 2:9-10)
It's a nice promotion. You should accept it. 

But I'm curious, what "believers" do you confess your sins? Your neighbor? The mailman?

I hope that question is honest. Are you really curious? I rather think you aren't. According to the Sermon on the Mount, if I commit an offense, my confessor is the person I offended. So yes, sometimes it is my neighbor, and sometimes it's even the mailman. Think about it. In a fit of laziness you leave your steps unsalted and he or she slips while delivering the mail. You owe that mailman an apology. If they are a Christian,, you owe them a confession. And if they are litigious, you may end up owing them funding for treatment of their injuries. Just sayin ... :)

But the priesthood was discontinued when the Temple was taken away. Priests were there only to mediate the sacrifice offered at the Temple.  Now that the final sacrifice has been offered and accepted, priests as intermediaries are no longer part of legitimate Christian practice.

Peace,

SR
853 posted on 01/16/2017 7:12:39 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: metmom
For anyone who wants to know what Martin Luther believed about the Scriptures, see Luther’s View of the Canon of Scripture by James Swan. It is an excellent resource and shows that those who ignorantly insist Luther "threw out books of the Bible" are wrong and should stop telling that lie.
854 posted on 01/16/2017 7:12:51 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: ebb tide

No. They’re MEN.

Real men don’t wear dresses.


855 posted on 01/16/2017 7:13:04 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide

The mistress already knows.

The wife is the one wronged and she needs to be confessed to and asked forgiveness for the husband’s betrayal.


856 posted on 01/16/2017 7:15:03 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide; metmom
Who do you confess to when you commit adultery?

The wife or the mistress?


False dilemma. Everyone injured is owed a confession. God, the wife, the mistress, the kids. Everyone harmed by the sin. In some cases, such as murder, there is no possibility of reconciliation in this life, but even under those circumstances confession to God remains possible, and eventual reconciliation in the life to come.

Peace,

SR
857 posted on 01/16/2017 7:18:39 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: ebb tide; Springfield Reformer

Legalistic thinking on display there.

SR is correct, everyone who is wronged gets the confession.

And if it’s more than one, it’s more than one. Nothing I said demanded that it be to only one person.


858 posted on 01/16/2017 7:23:05 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
The apostles did not eat Jesus during the Last Supper.

He was sitting in front of them handing out bread and wine.

So I guess Christ lied when He said, "Take ye, and eat. This is my body". Or this, "Drink ye all of this. For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.

859 posted on 01/16/2017 7:23:51 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: Springfield Reformer; metmom; Mark17; daniel1212
Well gang, I believe we're approaching a Matthew 10:14 moment.
860 posted on 01/16/2017 7:24:15 PM PST by ealgeone
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