Posted on 01/02/2017 4:25:11 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
...If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium”, leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” an Italian theologian has warned.
Drawing on the Church’s teaching based on Sacred Scripture and Tradition, Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, stressed that non-Catholic Christians must have undertaken baptism and confirmation in the Catholic Church, and repented of grave sin through sacramental confession, in order to be able to receive Jesus in the Eucharist.
Msgr. Bux was responding to the Register about concerns that elements of the current pontificate might be sympathetic of a form of “open Communion” proposed by the German Protestant theologian, Jürgen Moltmann.
The concerns have arisen primarily due to the Holy Father’s own comments on Holy Communion and Lutherans, his apparent support for some remarried divorcees to receive Holy Communion, and how others have used his frequently repeated maxim about the Eucharist: that it is “not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”
The debate specifically over intercommunion with Christian denominations follows recent remarks by Cardinal Walter Kasper who, in a Dec. 10 interview with Avvenire, said he hopes Pope Francis’ next declaration will open the way for intercommunion with other denominations “in special cases.”
The German theologian said shared Eucharistic communion is just a matter of time, and that the Pope’s recent participation in the Reformation commemoration in Lund has given “a new thrust” to the “ecumenical process.”
Pope Francis has often expressed his admiration for Cardinal Kasper’s theology whose thinking has significantly influenced…the priorities of this pontificate, particularly on the Eucharist.
For Moltmann, Holy Communion is “the Lord's supper, not something organized by a church or a denomination”...
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Luke 22:19 ?
“Do this in remembrance of me”
Once a year ?
...where did you get that idea?
Uh...no.He did not need "vetting" by the church.
3As he was traveling, it happened that he was approaching Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; 4and he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” 5And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, 6but get up and enter the city, and it will be told you what you must do.” Acts 9:3-6
The disciples were originally afraid of him and did not believe he was a disciple (Acts 9:26).
1Paul, an apostle (not sent from men nor through the agency of man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead), 2and all the brethren who are with me, Gal 1:1-2
1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, Eph 1:1
15But when God, who had set me apart even from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, was pleased 16to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with flesh and blood, 17nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went away to Arabia, and returned once more to Damascus. Gal 1:15-17
Certainly in those times where unity was difficult, there were misunderstandings and heresies. Please be clear: for about 1000 years, if you were Christian, you believed in the Real Presence. The early writings of the saints are clear. For example, one of the earliest, St Ignatius of Antioch:
“Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead.”
“Letter to the Smyrnaeans”, paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.
“Come together in common, one and all without exception in charity, in one faith and in one Jesus Christ, who is of the race of David according to the flesh, the son of man, and the Son of God, so that with undivided mind you may obey the bishop and the priests, and break one Bread which is the medicine of immortality and the antidote against death, enabling us to live forever in Jesus Christ.”
-”Letter to the Ephesians”, paragraph 20, c. 80-110 A.D.
“I want the Bread of God which is the Flesh of Christ, who was the seed of David; and for drink I desire His Blood which is love that cannot be destroyed.”
-”Letter to the Romans”, paragraph 7, circa 80-110 A.D.
“Take care, then who belong to God and to Jesus Christ - they are with the bishop. And those who repent and come to the unity of the Church - they too shall be of God, and will be living according to Jesus Christ. Do not err, my brethren: if anyone follow a schismatic, he will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If any man walk about with strange doctrine, he cannot lie down with the passion. Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: for there is one Flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of His Blood; one altar, as there is one bishop with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons.”
-Epistle to the Philadelphians, 3:2-4:1, 110 A.D.
From what I've seen of the ECFs their only consistency is their inconsistency on the issues.
quote-Shared Communion With Protestants Would be Blasphemy and Sacrilege
It sure would concidering the Roman Catholic Church is not even Christian.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Protestants around the world just ‘communed’ with Rome and their version of biblical events- on Rome’s December 25 and Rome’s January 1st.
They do the same when Rome’s Good Friday and Rome’s Easter Sunday come around..
None of those days are according to scripture, but those days are according to the Roman Catholic Catechism and Rome’s Pope Gregory (Gregorian) Calendar.
Maybe Protestant Daughters are more in communion with Rome than they ever thought was possible-even if they never enter a Roman Catholic Church or take the wafer..
“...He [Paul] did not need “vetting” by the church....”
Here we read where Saint Paul was vetted by the church AND they received him. (Referring to post 35) In contrast, the Catholic church has never received nor acknowledged heretical preachers who intentionally stand apart from the Catholic (Universal) Church. Paul was approved and united to the universal Church:
Acts Chapter 9
[26] And when he was come into Jerusalem, he essayed to join himself to the disciples; and they all were afraid of him, not believing that he was a disciple. [27] But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and told them how he had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken to him; and how in Damascus he had dealt confidently in the name of Jesus. [28] And he was with them coming in and going out in Jerusalem, and dealing confidently in the name of the Lord.
I agree. The difference in discussion is that I don’t even open a thread for protestants, while there are a crowd of protestants just waiting to comment on every Catholic thread.
It gets old.
Like the statement ‘Jesus wasn’t Catholic’
He sure wasn’t protestant, since they didn’t exist till 1500 years after his crucifixion!
“transubstantiation became codified doctrine of the Catholic Church by the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215.”
Thanks for that. Just a few posts up from yours I made a mental note to myself to start researching the topic. Now I have a whole book I need to read. :)
They recognized his calling from God is what happened in Acts 9:27-28.
He did not need their "approval" to begin his ministry.
...we did.
..but I refused to go get communion....
is there so little regard for people's religion that people think they can just partake without previous study and understanding?...I think not...
He was not roman catholic nor were the original disciples and apostles.
He started Christianity. Those who follow Him are called Christians.
Those who follow a church are called roman catholic.
There is a difference.
That may be your position, but there are a good number of catholics on these threads that would be glad to see the Inquisition brought back.
If anyone is a follower of Jesus and Him alone, I will defend them.
Wow...
In my many years studying the characteristics of cults...
Your rant hits several points...
I’m not saying you are in a cult, but your belief system tracks like one...
Probably more of misplaced passion...
Which is my point; Jesus is "under" no one besides His Heavenly Father.
..."and errors and heresies in Protestantism?"..... That Jesus is the way the truth and the life..... and not earthy men?
Happy New Year,..... shalom aleichem
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Communion itself is blasphemy.
It has no basis in scripture.
Yeshua’s last supper was a meal of barley loaf and wine, in which he simply asked that whenever we have the barley loaf and wine, we do it in remembrance of him.
Men have twisted that simple request into nicolaitan insanity.
Do what Yeshua said; disregard what men invent.
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Communion is ‘religion.’
Religion is not from Yehova; it is from men.
Men can do their games as they please; they have no spiritual value.
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>> “He started Christianity.” <<
No, Yeshua continued the practices his Father instituted at Sinai.
Constantine invented “christianity,” and Yeshua has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Those who follow Constantine’s man made religion are called Christians.
Those that follow Yeshua are simply the Notzerim (followers of the Netzer)
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It is not only well worth reading, but it is enjoyable reading. Parts of it sent me back to memories of Western Civilization 101 in college and also reading St. Augustine in one of my philosophy courses. Those are fond memories of Fr Shea and Fr. Klopke as two of my favorite professors.
I will defend you and have defended other Catholics in these forums.
“...Jesus is “under” no one besides His Heavenly Father.
...”and errors and heresies in Protestantism?”..... That Jesus is the way the truth and the life..... and not earthy men?...”
Counter to your suggestion, the above comments are Catholic dogma. Protestants happen to claim to ascribe to them as well.
There are dogmas, however, where we differ.
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