I think the trial is over...
Posted on 01/02/2017 4:25:11 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
I suppose misery likes company
No. I'm claiming the Catholic church interpretation is wrong because it contradicts the rest of the body of Scripture.
I think the trial is over...
Overheard conversation between a masochist and a sadist
Masochist: Beat me 'til I'm bloody.
Sadist: No.
When you decided that a priest could actually retain sin, which goes against Jesus' teaching to forgive.
Matthew 18:21-22 Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy-seven times.
Isaiah 43:25 “I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
So if God promises to forgive us if we confess, on what basis does any human have any right to refuse to forgive someone who confesses?
Catholicism makes salvation so hard.
Jesus made it so easy.
John 1:10-13 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 3:3-8 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
Acts 16:27-31 When the jailer woke and saw that the prison doors were open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped. But Paul cried with a loud voice, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here.” And the jailer called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
2 Corinthians 6:2 For he says, “In a favorable time I listened to you, and in a day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
Romans 10:9-13 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
The operative word there is "believe".
As in *Abraham believed God and it was CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.*
Genesis 15:6 And he (Abraham) believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness.
Romans 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
Galatians 3:6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
James 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.
Nonsense.
Even if the passage indicates that one human has the power to judicially forgive someone as God does, there is no indication in the passage that it is restricted to priests.
The Catholic church just teaches that to keep it's death grip on its' members. The only way it can control people is to convince them that the church is the only way to heaven and without them, the people are going to hell.
They are holding the threat of eternal damnation over people's heads for not belonging to their own church.
There's not one of us born again, born from above, believers who advocates that their church/religion/denomination is essential for salvation the way the Catholics do.
Christians lead people to Christ for guaranteed forgiveness.
Catholics lead people to their religious organization for the hope of forgiveness.
The Catholic church claims it is the only way and yet cannot even guarantee the results.
Jesus can and does.
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
John 11:25-26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
And the sinner didn't go to a priest. He went right to God Himself something Jesus teaches we CAN do and the Catholic church teaches we CAN'T do.
They say we have to go to God through them.
Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’
But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
Yup, a tacit admission of worshiping Mary, which Catholics continue to deny they do.
Because in order to worship God the way they should, and worship God through Mary, they would HAVE TO worship Mary the same way as they worship God.
Still waiting for the documentation to support the claim.
FWIW, nothingness doesn’t leave any marks.
I sure would love to see an example myself and proof that the sin was not forgiven by God and that the person went to hell for it.
Ouch.
...both an admitted idolator and a glutton for punishment, one who boasts of worshiping Mary, and whose vain and desperate attempts to justify it and his tiny one true church have been continually refuted and their fallacious nature exposed, yet he comes back for more. Thus the only valid argument he has produced is against being a RC, his splinter group as well as others and the main body, all of which share the same commonality that the Catholic distinctives are foreign to the NT church of Scripture .
And which in Scripture constitutes worship, with such activity and ascriptions being unseen among believers toward anyone but God, and otherwise they belong to the pagan world. And thus by engaging in such towards Mary, it is evidenced that many Catholics are materially engaging in worship, or at the least blasphemy (if a difference can be made), albeit ignorantly.
And in any case, Catholicism is guilty of disobeying the Scripture admonition “not to think of men above that which is written,” (1 Corinthians 4:6) not simply to prevent division, but because God knows the heart of men, and like as the Israelite ended up worshiping the bronze serpent which God used as an instrument of deliverance, (Num. 21:6-9; 2Kg. 18:4) so likewise do men do with mere mortals, as Catholics do with Mary, exalting her far far above what is written, and contrary to how God speaks of her in Scripture. In which no NT believer even bowing down to another in obeisance (except in washing feet) is ever sanctioned, , let alone being given adulation and ascriptions that are nowhere given to men, by to God alone.
But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."So if you or anyone here is all spun up about all the external stuff, statues, cathedrals, rosaries, scapulas, pretty gold sunbursts for the wafer, fancy, jewel studded incense gizmos, Rome versus, say, Boisie Idaho, that's missing the point, according to Jesus. Worship God in spirit, and in truth. That's where you'll find the real deal. The rest of it is just useless shiney stuff.
(John 4:23-24)
“We are superior Christians than Saint Thomas Aquinas who said, “Since, therefore, the Blessed Virgin is a mere rational creature, the worship of latria is not due to her, but only that of dulia: but in a higher degree than to other creatures, inasmuch as she is the Mother of God. For this reason we say that not any kind of dulia is due to her, but hyperdulia.”
We stand here on FR and together condemn Saint Thomas Aquinas who we deem nought but a idol worshipping pagan.
We, daniel1212, knarf, metmom, MHGinTN, redleghunter, Mark17, Elsie, and Springfield Reformer know better than Saint Thomas Aquinas”
AGREED Y’ALL?
And just who said that? You post a statement in quotation marks as if quoting someone.
Who? Cite your source.
We stand here on FR and together condemn Saint Thomas Aquinas who we deem nought but a idol worshipping pagan.
And you stand here on FR and condemn the pope and college of cardinals who you deem naught but a heretic.
We, daniel1212, knarf, metmom, MHGinTN, redleghunter, Mark17, Elsie, and Springfield Reformer know better than Saint Thomas Aquinas” AGREED Y’ALL?
Maybe. Maybe not.
But spiritual truths are spiritually discerned so intellectual acumen means nothing in God's economy.
Some people will never learn to not argue with a lawyer.
Sadly, it can not be made any clearer than you have shown it, yet these dying in catholiciism will refuse to comprehend GOD’s Grace in this simple way to be born from above. They have been captured by the rituals and stealthy appeal to earn what God gives by Grace alone. Is it that their pride in self will not relent to humble themselves as destitute sinners before God, believing they can be ‘good enough’ so God will grant them salvation? ... It is mysterious, and very sad.
Ephesians 1:3-10 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
Romans 5:1-2 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
John 1:14-17 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”) For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
If you have received Jesus Christ by believing in Him, you automatically have all the grace you ever need lavished on you, all the time.
Ooops,
Mark, you too.
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